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Tips on beatmatching for a newby? (pg. 11)
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| brucelee6783 |
It's obvious to me that this forum is loaded with vinyl enthusiasts (myself included), so professing the merits of digital mixing isn't going to end well here.
It's like going to a bar full of minorities and making racist jokes. There's a time and a place for all things, but this forum doesn't seem to be the place or time to debate the merits of digital mixing. (Maybe 10 years from now)
Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable sharing your sentiment over at one of Traktor's message boards? |
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| PivotTechno |
| Talk is cheap - settle with a mix-off. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| to be honest vinyl is dead, a lot of records aren't pressed and are hard to find, and i think cd era is about to end too but the advantages of cd vs mp3 aren't that clear right now, we'll see how it goes |
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| djkatmaus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
to be honest vinyl is dead, a lot of records aren't pressed and are hard to find, and i think cd era is about to end too but the advantages of cd vs mp3 aren't that clear right now, we'll see how it goes |
Vinyl isn't dead. I still see plenty of dj's using it. It's personal preference. Cdj's have USB ports for thumb drives or whatever. Does this mean Serato is dead too? |
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| Rodri Santos |
| some djs still use them, i don't see very much of them though 1 out of 10 in the best cases here at least. But the problem is not preference, is that increasing the collection with new tunes is hard, it's very disappointing if you love a track and it is not released in vinyl. |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Apeattack
I did hear that Hitler manually beatmatched.
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Yep, he also preferred his decks set up battle styliee. |
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| Apeattack |
While there may be variations year-to-year, the long term trend is toward replacing vinyls with CDs and mp3s. Eventually CDs will be virtually dead too as downloading music is now incredibly easy and mp3 players become more commonplace.
You did not put vinyl record sales in the proper context.
(1) It is true that vinyl record sales have increased greatly over the past few years, up to ~3 million annually.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idINTRE5B74QB20091208
"Vinyl record sales reached 1.9 million units in 2008 and are on track to sell nearly 2.8 million units in 2009"
(2) It is true that CD sales are decreasing greatly over the same time frame. However, CD and digital download sales still DWARF vinyl sales.
Additionally, digital download sales are increasing... and this is not including illegal digital downloads, which dwarf vinyls, CD, and legal digital downloads (http://www.twice.com/article/254998...10_1_Margin.php).
"Album sales fell to fell to 373.9 million units, a 12.7% decline from 2008. Total sales fell a whopping 52% since 2000. CDs still account for almost 80 percent of all album purchases.
Paid online song downloads continued to grow, but at a pace that was too slow to make up for lost CD sales.
1.16 billion individual songs were purchased digitally, an increase of 89 million units, or 8.3%, from 2008. That represents a significant slowdown in digital-sales growth. In 2008, sales of digital songs increased by 226 million, or 27% over the previous year. Digital downloads now account for 40% of music purchases."
(3) Article from 2007:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/media...inyl-usat_x.htm
"But vinyl still accounts for a small percentage of music sales. Last year 858,000 LPs were sold, compared with 553.4 million CDs, according to Nielsen SoundScan.
While the 2006 figure was up slightly from 2005, the overall trend has been down from 1.5 million in 2000." |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by stealthman
"There is no intrinsic value to vinyl records"
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Look up the word 'intrinsic.' I've heard many people say something like, "real DJs know the value of vinyl records," as if vinyl records are universally recognized as valuable.
Vinyl records, CDJs, USB sticks, chickens, clouds, etc... have no absolute value, only the value that we give them as individuals. If you highly value vinyl, that's fine. I do not value vinyl records any more than mp3s, and I imagine many of my generation feel similar.
| quote: | I'm guessing all the subordinate Vinyl DJ's seen from the top of your ivory tower are also seen as the lifeless hopeless peasants in your view that require a trivial "hobby" in order to for them to sustain any sort of "life support", who pale in comparison to a glorified digital king like yourself who mixes with digital files because its cool nowadays and it is the DJ'ing standard eh?.
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Ivory tower? Peasants?
Please find the quote where I say I am a better DJ for autosync'ing. What's that? Doesn't exist? Darn.
I happily acknowledge that many DJs who have posted in this thread likely are 'better' than me, whether they use vinyl or CDJs. But my talent-level has nothing to do with me seeing the long-term trends in DJing.
| quote: | I'd rather proudly call myself a "Disc Jockey" who can physically MIX records with SKILL than ending up joining a band-wagon of digital wankers who press buttons and check Facebook at the same time to rake cash and barely do anything while the clueless drunk or zombified idiots on the dancefloor barely have any idea or give a about the unique technical skill that makes the DJ, a DJ.
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If you like vinyl, great. I truly, truly do not care what media you use to mix with. Really, I don't.
At some point you are going to have to deal with the fact that the use of software and hardware that make DJing easier will be more and more commonplace. You don't have to use it, but your competition will.
| quote: | Next thing you know, software will completely replace the DJ and have its own mixed-in-key features integrated into the DJ'ing application along with artificial intelligence randomly selecting tracks to play out to a crowd via a video camera called 'Crowd Reader v 2.0' and people like yourself would say, "this is the future of DJ'ing, so you better move on whether you like it or not". Do you consume everything that is spoon-fed and shoved down your throat?
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This WILL be the future of DJing. Maybe it will take 20+ years to get there, but it will happen.
| quote: | | They are not DJ's. They are lazy ****s looking to make a quick buck because they are too weak to "haul" a bunch of records? |
It sounds like you have a very narrow definition of 'DJ.' You are entitled to it, of course.
| quote: | Speaking of bread making, I have my own handy little appliance that bakes the fresh ingredients for me so I don't have to constantly walk to the supermarket everytime I run out, and the final product tastes like win. Saves me alot of money as well. My diet doesn't consist of bread everyday though so that isn't a problem.
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You aren't making the bread, the machine is. You are autosync'ing bread making instead of manually bread making.
I'll bet there is a BreadAddicts forum somewhere with a thread talking about how automatic bread makers are ruining the 'art' of bread making.
| quote: | | Beatmatching won't even be a common term in the DJ'ing scene anymore. Every track will probably just be stitched together to make it "easier" for the light hearted. |
Probably.
Most EDM songs already are designed to mix nicely together with 1 or 2 phrases of simple drum kicks at the beginning and end of the song. |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by brucelee6783
It's obvious to me that this forum is loaded with vinyl enthusiasts (myself included), so professing the merits of digital mixing isn't going to end well here.
It's like going to a bar full of minorities and making racist jokes. There's a time and a place for all things, but this forum doesn't seem to be the place or time to debate the merits of digital mixing. (Maybe 10 years from now)
Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable sharing your sentiment over at one of Traktor's message boards? |
You are totally missing the point of what I have been saying all throughout this thread.
- I am not saying that autosync'ing is better than manually beatmatching.
- I am not saying mixing with CDs/mp3s is better than vinyl
Do whatever you like as a DJ. I do not care. There are many talented DJs who only use vinyl and a ton of talented DJs who only use CDJs. There are many talented DJs who manually beatmatch every song and many talented DJs who use the autosync button.
I am saying that the long term trend is toward more DJs using digital media and that beatmatching skills, so highly prized in the past, are no longer as important. You don't have to like this inevitability, but I think someone is deluding him/herself if he/she doesn't think it will happen. |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Talk is cheap - settle with a mix-off. |
I call vinyl! |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
Yep, he also preferred his decks set up battle styliee. |
If only he had sent his troops winter clothes instead of vinyl records in the winter of 1941 the Wehrmacht could have taken Moscow. |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by brucelee6783
Not right or wrong man, but true and false. That comment makes me feel like you didn't read my post and I feel like I'm being misquoted. |
I don't understand what you are talking about. First you said:
"Or so you think? A lot of what you say is true, but at the same time, a lot of what you say isn't. Especially that bit about it being "time to move on to new stuff"."
Then I said:
"There is no 'right' or 'wrong' about a lot of the items we discussed here."
Then you gave the quote at the top. What have I said in this thread that isn't 'true?' I have already retracted the part about "time to move on to new stuff" because that is not how I feel about vinyl (I actually said it a bit ironically, but upon reading the post again it probably came off as being a real opinion). I don't care if people choose to use vinyl.
If you are thinking about the vinyl record sales thing... while sales have gone up on the timescale of ~years, on the timescale of ~decades they are wayyyy down. My comments in this thread about vinyl were looking at the very long term trends. |
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