Originally posted by G-Con
Many tracks are produced in a flash mate, often within a few hours. I'm not including all the final polish, mixdown etc (which can take ages) but for many producers, they consider their best work the ones that came together very quickly when inspiration was flowing.
However as the technical production has taken greater and greater priority over actual song writing, I can see how some producers treat the whole affair in a more scientific, intellectual way, allowing little room for true creativity to occur.
mmm true. but you think this was produced in flash?
this intellect vs. intuition is false. i remember Laidback Luke said in some interview that he produces his tracks in 4 hours tops, which is why he has some ridiculous high number released on beatport and they all sound the same.
what trance artists have said this before? what are some great tracks that have been produced quickly?
G-Con
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Originally posted by pozz
what trance artists have said this before? what are some great tracks that have been produced quickly?
PVD wrote For an Angel in one night.
Branah
i agree with most of the stuff said here about how classic trance was much more original, organic and meaningful. apart from all that stuff that is already established :), there are two more things i wanna point out as factors that had an effect on the huge appreciation for classic trance:
1) Saturation and availability.
This applies to music in general imo. When I started with trance back around 97, i had no internet to download stuff from, so every CD I got a hold of was much more precious than anything i downloaded recently. I had a bunch of CDs and had listened to all of them so many times that I not only liked the songs like before, but really grew into them and started glorifying the music. Cause I had no more of the stuff, and that was the best for me. I still do the glorifying with a lot of stuff from back then (Chicane - Far from the maddening crowds, favorite still). But the point is, back then you had a limited supply, you had to pay relatively big bucks for it so there is a reason for you to appreciate it even more, apart from the actual, objective quality.
Today I can download anything I want for free - it is not as cool as an original CD/vinyl that you can touch and feel and get attached to, and you can have a ton of music on a HD, thus making it inevitably a little less valuable in your eyes. It all sounds samey too, same buildup-breakdown formula, same rhythm.
So not only was it better stuff, more original, but it was RARE. That fact also gave it additional value.
2. Motives
No one can persuade me that I am wrong when I say that it is all for the money these days when it comes to bigger producers/DJs/whoever. Everyone is just spamming my email accounts, facebook and what not, to vote for them or some crap like that.
It is widely known that formulaic and standard widely available stuff makes money - therefore producers don't want to be as original, but also a big part of it comes from the average label who wants that certain hype sound of the moment. Make something out of the ordinary today, and you wont sell really.
Back in the 90's, the story was different. Yes, the producers also wanted to sell back then, but it wasn't the only goal. The scene was small at the start, they knew there wasn't as much money. And whoever started making the music at the moment, didn't start making it for fun on a laptop - those people were probably already big music lovers and artists since they were around all the expensive equipment, synths, samplers and such in the first place. So they made what they loved, not what everyone else loved. And that new & interesting stuff they made was what sold a lot too actually, and they earned much more money on record sales than today.
I conclude this post :) thanks for reading
MeLLyMeL
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Originally posted by euphoria
If you really have to ask then I'm afraid you will probably never understand.
This.
Just make friends with someone who has old records and find a new hobby.
It'll be worth it!
stealthman
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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
This.
Just make friends with someone who has old records and find a new hobby.
It'll be worth it!
These people are an extinct species.
I have tried and failed miserably.
MeLLyMeL
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Originally posted by stealthman
These people are an extinct species.
I have tried and failed miserably.
Ppl with records?
stealthman
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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
Ppl with records?
People with old school Trance records who are willing to engage in a B2B session with likeminded folk. Nowaday's they're all kids with Pioneer CDJ's and Armin Van Buuren mp3s ripped off the net.
Lews
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Originally posted by G-Con
PVD wrote For an Angel in one night.
(1) the studios of the 90s werent magical places, nor so romantic.
(2) excessive choice is a misnomer. there aint such a thing -- i think you mean choosing synths and phrases at random, laying them onto a track without a real purpose for them, but even then it can leads to interesting improvisational stuff.
(3) i doubt very much that this was ever true, in any genre. tracks aren't produced in a flash, on a whim, out of inspiration. the mind-numbing hours its takes to make even a nice synth dissipates that feeling and it is largely intellectual. there's millions of edits that dont show up on the final product. even when you think of poets, dont assume their work happens all at once, on a whim. it takes a long time, with much editing and erasing, "intellectual" decision and approximation.
1.Im not on about the environment,i'm on about the hardware.Hardware is VERY inspirational, at least for me
2.There is way to much choice these days, too much isn't a good thing.I think limiting yourself is good
3.Total crap, many of the best tracks ARE produced with a flash of inspiration, maybe not the whole song, but the main part of it, e.g, melody, or the feel of the track.IMO, these are the best tracks.Eric Prydz, for example, producers mainly on a ing train drawing inspiration from what he sees out of the window.Imo, this is were today's music is going wrong.But that's my opinion, im not a fan of that "intellectual" decision and approximation music, music isnt maths
