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what are your unpopular opinions on electronica, not giving a f? (pg. 9)
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| Taipan |
I saw both threads: 1) this one and 2) your hip hop one. What I found interesting is that in the hip hop one most people posted artists they thought were garbage that most people approved of. Whereas here, most people posted artists they approved of, that most people thought were garbage.
Complete opposite attitudes.
I wonder why that is. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
Theo Parrish moves like a drunk brontosaurus-groundhog hybrid from outerspace. Very awkward looking in these videos I'm watching |
this sounds both accurate and awesome
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
"Soul" comes from the music and not from the mixing. That being said, even the most soulful tracks somehow lose what makes them special when mixed together in a shoddy manner |
this just in: srussell0018 has decreed Theo Parrish to be lacking in soul. whodathunkit?
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I love Burial's music, for example, and that's about as hand-made as computer music can be. But some people seem to think Burial's music has more soul because it isn't properly quantized, as if hand-placing samples in Soundforge for eye-reddening hours is a somehow "soulful" way of making music, but using a sequencer isn't. I've got no problem with imperfect electronic music, and I haven't got a problem with Theo Parrish's music being loose (I don't find it very interesting either way). It's more the surrounding discourse that says modern electronic music is "too perfect", "too tight" or "too easy". Exactly the same the pioneers had to deal with when they made their music, except now the difference between "too tight" and "soulfully tight" is ridiculously small. |
I seem to have misunderstood you a bit. In fact, I actually think the whole notion of 'soulfulness' in music discourse is actually suspect. All of it. It's merely marketing. Terre Thaemlitz has a great project on this called 'Soulnessless'. So to me the distinction betwen quantized and unquantized has little to do with 'soulfulness'. It's more about artistic integrity - do you use something that has been pre-programmed with an idea about what music is by others, ie soundbanks, time signatures, etc, or do you invent and break the mold a little bit by playing with the settings and timing. And even then, you could make art from using other people's programs and what not, but i feel like you have to be aware of this fact in order to do it with integrity.
http://www.comatonse.com/writings/2...ulnessless.html |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
this just in: srussell0018 has decreed Theo Parrish to be lacking in soul.
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Right, that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:
You're the queen of either misinterpreting or misrepresenting what people say to fit your agenda.
What I said is that I believe soul is derived from the music itself, and not the manner in which it's mixed, which is in disagreement with the supposition that "soulful mixing" is a talent which Theo possesses. Sloppy and jarring (nice choice of words System-J) transitions are not soulful, they're sloppy. So, as I said the first time, he can play very soulful music, but IMO his poor mixing techniques detract from the quality/soulful nature of the tracks he's playing.
Calling his music "art" doesn't excuse objectively poor mixing. |
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| MSZ |
| long live tranceaddict, haven of trolls and bull. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Right, that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:
You're the queen of either misinterpreting or misrepresenting what people say to fit your agenda.
What I said is that I believe soul is derived from the music itself, and not the manner in which it's mixed, which is in disagreement with the supposition that "soulful mixing" is a talent which Theo possesses. Sloppy and jarring (nice choice of words System-J) transitions are not soulful, they're sloppy. So, as I said the first time, he can play very soulful music, but IMO his poor mixing techniques detract from the quality/soulful nature of the tracks he's playing.
Calling his music "art" doesn't excuse objectively poor mixing. |
We're not even talking about his deejaying. It seems like you are conflating his deejaying and his production. What he deejays isn't 'his music' much of the time.
So when you said:
| quote: | | "Soul" comes from the music and not from the mixing. That being said, even the most soulful tracks somehow lose what makes them special when mixed together in a shoddy manner |
you were talking about him deejaying other peoples music, or mixing down his own productions in the studio? since we were discussing his productions, I assumed the latter, in which case it would definitely sound like you were saying that his music lacks 'soul' because of the way he mixes it down.
Since when are you the authority on what is and isn't soulful? Certainly Theo's music and techniques are his own, and represent his own 'soul', regardless of whether you like it or not. I happen to love how 'sloppy and jarring' much of his music is. |
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| srussell0018 |
The original post Re: soul was a response to stevo's idea that sloppiness in mixing is where the "soul" comes from in DJing.
| quote: | Originally posted by stevö
I can understand sloppiness in djing too, it can sound good or bad. It sounds good when the dj makes the best of it and keeps that "flow" going, that imo is where the "soul" comes in with djing. |
I wasn't speaking about his productions. The whole point is that his shoddy mixing doesn't keep the "flow" going. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
The original post Re: soul was a response to stevo's idea that sloppiness in mixing is where the "soul" comes from in DJing.
I wasn't speaking about his productions. |
Actually, we're talking about what Mark Anthony posted:
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
Yea his productions just sound sloppy in some cases. I think people graviate towards him in an era where everything is very tight. He's loosey goosey with the controls.
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| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
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Okay, how about sloppy drunk? Its like he's using old equipment, and fans are excited to be listening to music made on old equipment?
I'm not hating on all of his productins. I like what he did with his remix of Kuniyuki - All These Things. For the most part cannot get down with original Theo material on Sound Signture |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
I guess that's why its an unpopular opinion. Something about his mode of production just irritates me. I can't really justify it with logic |
PS, it isn't sloppy drunk - it's sloppy stoned. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevö
I can understand sloppiness in djing too, it can sound good or bad. It sounds good when the dj makes the best of it and keeps that "flow" going, that imo is where the "soul" comes in with djing. |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
"Soul" comes from the music and not from the mixing. That being said, even the most soulful tracks somehow lose what makes them special when mixed together in a shoddy manner
IMO the whole point of mixing is to blur the meeting point of where one song ends and the next begins. Recklessly slamming one track into another isn't "soulful mixing" it's lazy. Almost as if he's saying "I'm Theo Parrish so I don't have to give a , people will like it anyways."
I would imagine Theo Parrish doesn't get many new fans for that reason. The people who like him have liked him for a long time. I really doubt many new listeners tune in and say "Oh wow, I really love fader slams. Did he just not beatmatch at all? BRILLIANT!" |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
ftfy |
i guess you missed the previous sentence?
| quote: | Originally posted by stevö
I think its fine if the errors in the production are by accident. It's been said in interviews of early 90's producers a lot of things that were a hit came by accident because of messing around with knobs and such. But if someone deliberately puts errors in the production to simulate an experimental vibe, thats lame. |
He says 'I understand sloppiness in deejaying too, in other words, as an aside.
anyway this is a stupid thing to bicker about. |
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| srussell0018 |
| Yes I understand that. Am I only allowed to disagree with somebody's central thesis? |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Do you think Theo Parrish has any technical virtuosity whatsoever?
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I never claimed so. I think he is creative and passionate, and I think it comes through with his music which resonates well with me. But that is not the point. The point is you claiming there is this whole underlying philosophy or central idea in making music with machines almost as if to say that things being robotic is part of it all and when someone says/does otherwise it's "that guy is a fraud, off with his 'trying to put some SOUL in my music' head." LOL who the do some of you think you are, honestly? Music is a form of expression, whether it is being made on a piano or a 303. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
I never claimed so. |
I'm not saying you claimed so. I'm asking you a question. Answer, please. |
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