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Have How was your guys' year in writing music? (2010) (pg. 3)
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| Mise |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
Thats the worst, im still stuck in loop producing!
dunno how to break the habit =/ |
What stops or distracts you from your final goal, (say finishing the track), imo finishing a track is the most important goal, no matter if you like it 100% |
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| sako487 |
It's when a track sounds good on a loop, but not on a fully arranged track
as you progress in production you will realize that early on and thats what distracts me really
And I also try to make a couple of attempts at arrangement, if it doesn't work out I scrap it and start a new one =/ |
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| Final Call |
| worse year for me too. i haven't done much but made a couple of remixes and one original. Work, social life and everything else sucks lol. I did spend more time going to a few massive's to try and get some inspiration but unfortunately that didn't really helped. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
It's when a track sounds good on a loop, but not on a fully arranged track
as you progress in production you will realize that early on and thats what distracts me really
And I also try to make a couple of attempts at arrangement, if it doesn't work out I scrap it and start a new one =/ |
See, this is one of the biggest pitfalls, IMO. I see it all the time with lesser experienced producers. You have got to start on your arrangement as early as possible. I used to work this way as well: Get an 8 or 16 bar loop going, add all the track elements, then try to arrange it. I discovered eventually that this was the wrong way of going about it, for me anyway.
The problem with this approach is that it becomes difficult to go from the loop to a full arrangement because while everything sounds good and full playing together in the loop, your perception tells you that it sounds "empty" or "incomplete" once you start taking parts out of the loop and trying to arrange them. It becomes difficult to envision or understand what the end goal is.
Its much easer to just get a few elements going then start arranging right away. Don't get caught up in if the bass sounds weak or that synth pad isn't quite right, you'll just end up wasting hours on something that might make 0.01% difference in the context of the finished product. Just concentrate on getting the framework of the track nailed down. Get is done early while the track is still fresh in your mind.
By working this way, not only do you get the advantage of getting a mental picture of what your final product will sound like, you can make better informed decisions as to what to add because you can add elements that go along with the arrangement you already have laid out. Think about it this way: You are not writing a bunch of loops, you are writing a song. Your method of working should be very similar to any songwriter writing in any genre of music. Songs have flow, peaks and valleys, verses, choruses and bridges. Try to think of your music in this context. Loops are just, well, loops, playing the same thing over and over.
Think in those terms and things start becoming much clearer early on in a project and you'll find yourself completing more projects and trashing fewer of them. |
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| Lolo |
| A good 2010 because musically I discovered talents I didn't know that I had. They changed my entire perception and point of view on my own music and therefore will change the whole sound that I have. An eye-opener, really. Now I can talk about writing music and not about executing a formula, finally. |
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| Matsun |
Hundreds of unfinished production, but I'm happy of it. I did a lot of Sound Design work and raised my skills a lot.
1 single forthcoming on Unearthed Records.
I'm preparing myself for 2011. |
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| Andy28 |
I always get stuck in a loop, listening to it over and over and over, trying to tweek something that don't sound right, or "fat enough". This then leads me to getting sick of what I've created very quickly, lose all creativity and can't progress the tune any further.
Inevitably I scrap the wip and repeate the above, even if I know it don't sound all the bad.
I think Im guna follow what Eric has said, start arranging as soon as I can, and get out of this rut. It makes alot of sense. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
See, this is one of the biggest pitfalls, IMO. I see it all the time with lesser experienced producers. You have got to start on your arrangement as early as possible. I used to work this way as well: Get an 8 or 16 bar loop going, add all the track elements, then try to arrange it. I discovered eventually that this was the wrong way of going about it, for me anyway.
The problem with this approach is that it becomes difficult to go from the loop to a full arrangement because while everything sounds good and full playing together in the loop, your perception tells you that it sounds "empty" or "incomplete" once you start taking parts out of the loop and trying to arrange them. It becomes difficult to envision or understand what the end goal is.
Its much easer to just get a few elements going then start arranging right away. Don't get caught up in if the bass sounds weak or that synth pad isn't quite right, you'll just end up wasting hours on something that might make 0.01% difference in the context of the finished product. Just concentrate on getting the framework of the track nailed down. Get is done early while the track is still fresh in your mind.
By working this way, not only do you get the advantage of getting a mental picture of what your final product will sound like, you can make better informed decisions as to what to add because you can add elements that go along with the arrangement you already have laid out. Think about it this way: You are not writing a bunch of loops, you are writing a song. Your method of working should be very similar to any songwriter writing in any genre of music. Songs have flow, peaks and valleys, verses, choruses and bridges. Try to think of your music in this context. Loops are just, well, loops, playing the same thing over and over.
Think in those terms and things start becoming much clearer early on in a project and you'll find yourself completing more projects and trashing fewer of them. |
Nice tip. Do you mix as you write? I've seen a few pros work this way.
If you guys haven't watched that Morgan Page interview, he talks about marking out each 8 bar section. It makes it easier to work on the song and arrangement. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Nice tip. Do you mix as you write? I've seen a few pros work this way.
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Yep. We don't mix or "master" in separate stages. Its all done as the song is being written. "Mastering" is accomplished by way of a well documented chain of plugins on the master output as well as a lot of measuring tools. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Yep. We don't mix or "master" in separate stages. Its all done as the song is being written. "Mastering" is accomplished by way of a well documented chain of plugins on the master output as well as a lot of measuring tools. |
Oh, nice. How long does one song usually take? |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Oh, nice. How long does one song usually take? |
In terms of time spent working probably a few days. That's usually stretched out over a month or so as we don't get to work on music but twice a week usually, for maybe 2-4 hours at a time. We can usually knock out the framework in a couple of sessions. I get distracted in the studio a lot too, so I don't get as much time working as I probably should. |
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| Mise |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Yep. We don't mix or "master" in separate stages. Its all done as the song is being written. "Mastering" is accomplished by way of a well documented chain of plugins on the master output as well as a lot of measuring tools. |
now I understand why, in much of EDM, there isnt space for getting creative while writting a track |
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