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Living without mixer... thoughts? (pg. 2)
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| Richard Butler |
I've avidly read every FM interview and article the last 2 years and anecdotaly it seems there are pleny of pros fully ITB.
I can never make up my mind as you see the odd article where the producer swears a hardware mixer is a must if you want a more open (sometimes 'creamy' depending on the brand) sound.
I also notice in those interveiws a great many comments along the lines 'oh yeah I've had the Manley Massive Pssive / Access Virus for a while but honestly never use it'.
All very confusing eh!
My own opinion is that less is more for a person like me as I love to get deep inside one thing rather than skim 3. |
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| Kenny Rogers |
| yes. know your gear. |
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| tehlord |
ITB or OTB is a bit like salty or sweet popcorn
Personally i'm happy ITB, but I'm veering swiftly towards a DM-3200 as an all in one front end. I do like faders instead of teh mouses. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| I have a soundcraft mixer but is just an expensive volume control. for my monitors. I only use 1 channel. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
What's the build quality on those like Dave?
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It's plastic, but it's very solid and has withstood my son's abuse without flinching. I also have a Faderport that I use for Studio One, which isn't supported by the AlphaTrack. Between the two, the Faderport is less expensive and has fewer capabilities, but more solid (metal housing) and the fader motor is much quieter than the AlphaTrack. The AlphaTrack has far more capabilities, including control over plugins, and has some very nice custom configuration options. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
It's plastic, but it's very solid and has withstood my son's abuse without flinching. I also have a Faderport that I use for Studio One, which isn't supported by the AlphaTrack. Between the two, the Faderport is less expensive and has fewer capabilities, but more solid (metal housing) and the fader motor is much quieter than the AlphaTrack. The AlphaTrack has far more capabilities, including control over plugins, and has some very nice custom configuration options. |
Hmmm
It's gonna be all or nothing for me I think.
I'm putting about £10k aside for a proper studio build when I move and the Tascam DM-3200 may be on the cards to replace my MR816 and control surface wants.
Dunno yet though. I have a freind who uses one so I'm going to try and pay him a visit over christmas to check it's functionality out with Cubase. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I've avidly read every FM interview and article the last 2 years and anecdotaly it seems there are pleny of pros fully ITB.
I can never make up my mind as you see the odd article where the producer swears a hardware mixer is a must if you want a more open (sometimes 'creamy' depending on the brand) sound.
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Those are usually analog mixers that cost a lot to buy and have a tendency to require maintenance and repair. Digital mixers are hardly any better than ITB processing - in some cases worse, as DACs used in them are of not of the highest quality - mostly cheap components.
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I also notice in those interveiws a great many comments along the lines 'oh yeah I've had the Manley Massive Pssive / Access Virus for a while but honestly never use it'.
All very confusing eh!
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If Armin is to be believed, all the synth sounds can be replicated by Logic's built-in synths. Tyas said same thing (in one of the videos). He then, of course, contradicted himself in FM video tutorial by saying how awesome Virus is. But I have to concur with Armin - it's very cool to have all the capability of virus but unless you make your own patches, vast majority of them are so awash in FX that they don't translate/sit well in the mix. I am serioiusly considering living without everything but my most valued analogs: Jupe, Synthex, Oberheim, Juno, Akai(?). The rest will most likely be sold off very soon. |
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| DJ RANN |
me. Talk about over complicated. There's a solution that costs you nothing, keeps your workflow, if not improves it and requires very little setup:
You can use your 01v96 just as a control surface!
Just map it all to the mixer in your DAW. Set the banks to corresponding groups of faders. I've done it a few times and it's easy.
Just make sure you've got the studio manager software and the latest firmware for the 01v96. Then make sure the midi drivers are in place and then set it all up. I used to be a complete pain the arse but Yama sorted since then and it's works really nicely now.
You get bi directional control and nearly everything on the 01v96 can be used; transport, jog/shuttle, pan, gain etc.
Thats' your easiest option right there.
let my know if you need specific help about setting it up. |
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| Kysora |
| I know this isn't the focus of the thread but ing hell, if you've got 1000+ projects and not a single one of them is finished your mixer is the least of your worries |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
I know this isn't the focus of the thread but ing hell, if you've got 1000+ projects and not a single one of them is finished your mixer is the least of your worries |
LOL it's a hyperbole... but I'd say there are at least 100 of them, that's for sure. Although, if you try hard - I'm sure there are potentially enough materials for decent amount of tracks. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
me. Talk about over complicated. There's a solution that costs you nothing, keeps your workflow, if not improves it and requires very little setup:
You can use your 01v96 just as a control surface!
Just map it all to the mixer in your DAW. Set the banks to corresponding groups of faders. I've done it a few times and it's easy.
Just make sure you've got the studio manager software and the latest firmware for the 01v96. Then make sure the midi drivers are in place and then set it all up. I used to be a complete pain the arse but Yama sorted since then and it's works really nicely now.
You get bi directional control and nearly everything on the 01v96 can be used; transport, jog/shuttle, pan, gain etc.
Thats' your easiest option right there.
let my know if you need specific help about setting it up. |
thanks for the offer, very kind of you. TBH, I tried it before and it was very buggy/kept crashing/unresponsive in ableton/etc. I hate Studio Mangler - it forgets my mixer every time and I've tried it on different systems. I'm running 2.x version of firmware too.
It's not cheap either, when you consider that there's potentially $2K of gear value that's being used for control surface alone? I may be just turned off by all the bugs...
Plus, doesn't it already add to latency/conversion signal chain? Wouldn't I get better sound quality using RME's converters vs Yamaha routed to RME?
I'm actually thinking that using something like EMU PX7 with mapped controls (no automation though) or something like Novation SL MKII or Wave Idea x3 - just some of the ideas. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
thanks for the offer, very kind of you. TBH, I tried it before and it was very buggy/kept crashing/unresponsive in ableton/etc. I hate Studio Mangler - it forgets my mixer every time and I've tried it on different systems. I'm running 2.x version of firmware too.
It's not cheap either, when you consider that there's potentially $2K of gear value that's being used for control surface alone? I may be just turned off by all the bugs...
Plus, doesn't it already add to latency/conversion signal chain? Wouldn't I get better sound quality using RME's converters vs Yamaha routed to RME?
I'm actually thinking that using something like EMU PX7 with mapped controls (no automation though) or something like Novation SL MKII or Wave Idea x3 - just some of the ideas. |
Let me clarify - I wasn't suggesting using the converters on the 01v96 at all. I assumed you'd already purchased the RME, which is by far a better DAC and has waaaaay less latency.
I was more saying there's no need to buy another control surface as the O1v96 works very nicely as that. Yes, the bugs drove me ing ape when I used to do tech support for Yamaha but that was when they were brand new, and didn't even have a firmware update from the one that shipped with it.
Since then it's got light years better, and it is still a little (but not that much) buggy if you try to use both the audio and control at the same time, but just as a control surface it should work no problem.
The big thing with it (which most people don't realise and why it has a bad rep) is that you HAVE to use the right Firmware version with EXACTY the right version of studio manager with EXACTLY the right version of Editor otherwise it won't properly.You also need the USB midi driver. Once you get those right, it's very much stable and you don't ever have to think about it again.
The reason I'm suggesting this is that I doubt you'll get that much by selling the 01v96 - I've seen them going for as little as $800 on ebay - and to get a control surface with 16 long throw flying faders and all the other functions will probably cost you more than what you can sell it for.
I also don't really like non automated control surfaces - they're fine if you lack space or are in a small budget but you get in trouble depending on what mode of automation you're in and limited to just touch mode when trying to ride the faders. |
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