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Living without mixer... thoughts? (pg. 4)
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| Raphie |
| Had a Mackie Universal Control Pro + 2 extenders, sold them, have a cc121 for more then 1 year now, never looked back..... |
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| aNYthing |
| Cc121 works with cubase only, I presume? Its a shame that ableton only gets crappy Akai controllers. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
In my experience, too many gear collectors and not enough musicians. |
I don't understand it either.
"I collect old guitars."
"Can I hear you play something?"
"What are you, retarded?! I said I collected old guitars, not play them!"
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"Hey, is that an old synthesizer? I want to just jam on it for a little bit..."
"Don't touch that! You're going to damage the after touch sensors and devalue it by half!" |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
I don't understand it either.
"I collect old guitars."
"Can I hear you play something?"
"What are you, retarded?! I said I collected old guitars, not play them!"
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"Hey, is that an old synthesizer? I want to just jam on it for a little bit..."
"Don't touch that! You're going to damage the after touch sensors and devalue it by half!" |
Precisely. I once suggested that posters should post examples of music they made with all those rooms full of gear, and they nearly took my head off. It's a shame, really. Why have all that cool gear if you don't actually use it? Leave it for the musicians who'll actually put it in their projects. |
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| cryophonik |
While it's true that there are many examples of that (especially on GS), it's a bit of an unfair generalization. There are a lot of people (both on and off GS) who have a ton of gear AND produce quality tunes. In fact, I'd venture to say that there are far more newbs producing crap music who live by the mantra that minimal setups, with no keyboard, and free/cracked software are all anyone needs, and they'll force that opinion down everyone's throat whenever given the opportunity. But, ask to hear their music and you'll get lots of excuses, or worse - mindless layers of loops and presets with no musicality whatsoever.
Now, before anyone takes that out of context, yes there are a lot of people producing quality tracks with minimal setups and little musical knowledge. The point is, there are plenty of people making and not making music at both ends of the "look how much/little gear I have" spectrum.
The other point I'll add is that not everybody is, or wants to be, a "producer." There are many musicians out there who play live and are into collecting gear. In some ways, I'm one of them. I've been playing bass since I was a kid and have a rather nice collection of basses. I rarely record them, though, and I don't play live anymore, but I still can and do play them. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
While it's true that there are many examples of that (especially on GS), it's a bit of an unfair generalization. There are a lot of people (both on and off GS) who have a ton of gear AND produce quality tunes. In fact, I'd venture to say that there are far more newbs producing crap music who live by the mantra that minimal setups, with no keyboard, and free/cracked software are all anyone needs, and they'll force that opinion down everyone's throat whenever given the opportunity. But, ask to hear their music and you'll get lots of excuses, or worse - mindless layers of loops and presets with no musicality whatsoever.
Now, before anyone takes that out of context, yes there are a lot of people producing quality tracks with minimal setups and little musical knowledge. The point is, there are plenty of people making and not making music at both ends of the "look how much/little gear I have" spectrum.
The other point I'll add is that not everybody is, or wants to be, a "producer." There are many musicians out there who play live and are into collecting gear. In some ways, I'm one of them. I've been playing bass since I was a kid and have a rather nice collection of basses. I rarely record them, though, and I don't play live anymore, but I still can and do play them. |
You're right but thankfully, this place unlike GS, has a way of regulating those newbs who claim to know everything, as their bull gets caught out, by those who actually know what they are talking about.
The people on GS are well informed in many cases, extremely knowledgeable - the problem however is with perspective and use in the real world, which often makes their knowledge useless for application. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| I find the VI forums , the logic and VSL and I suppose NorthernSOunds forums quite civil. But for some reason, this place feels smaller where like everyone knows your name and and you goad people and they wont get offended. The VSL one is a little bit negative. They all bitch about film composers for some reason. I think 50% of the people there are failed film composers. Still, the average age is around 40 and they tend to be educated so you don't get the Robby's and the Existos. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
While it's true that there are many examples of that (especially on GS), it's a bit of an unfair generalization. There are a lot of people (both on and off GS) who have a ton of gear AND produce quality tunes. In fact, I'd venture to say that there are far more newbs producing crap music who live by the mantra that minimal setups, with no keyboard, and free/cracked software are all anyone needs, and they'll force that opinion down everyone's throat whenever given the opportunity. But, ask to hear their music and you'll get lots of excuses, or worse - mindless layers of loops and presets with no musicality whatsoever.
Now, before anyone takes that out of context, yes there are a lot of people producing quality tracks with minimal setups and little musical knowledge. The point is, there are plenty of people making and not making music at both ends of the "look how much/little gear I have" spectrum.
The other point I'll add is that not everybody is, or wants to be, a "producer." There are many musicians out there who play live and are into collecting gear. In some ways, I'm one of them. I've been playing bass since I was a kid and have a rather nice collection of basses. I rarely record them, though, and I don't play live anymore, but I still can and do play them. |
It seems like such a waste to have the gear sit there, just to tinker at it once in a while and to say that you have it.
I don't see much difference between gear hoarders and those audiophiles that blow 2 grand on a cable that doesn't actually make the music sound any better.
These people aren't really into music, they are just into the nerding out of specs and boasting the more elaborate setup.
With hardware, you have these people hoarding them when they could be used by someone with a real passion for music. With software, it doesn't really matter. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
These people aren't really into music, they are just into the nerding out of specs and boasting the more elaborate setup.
With hardware, you have these people hoarding them when they could be used by someone with a real passion for music. |
And, you're qualified to determine whether or not these hoarders have a "real passion for music"? I'll answer that for you - no, you're not. Your argument is petty and baseless.
On a somewhat related note, many sound designers are admittedly not the best or most passionate musicians/producers and that's why many of them ask others to produce their audio demos for their commercial banks. They buy and use synths primarily for exploring their sonic boundaries. There's nothing wrong with that because, as we all know, sound design is an art unto itself. So, these guys who hoard synths and have studios full of expensive hardware simply for the sake of twisting knobs have as much right to them as anyone else. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
And, you're qualified to determine whether or not these hoarders have a "real passion for music"? I'll answer that for you - no, you're not. Your argument is petty and baseless.
On a somewhat related note, many sound designers are admittedly not the best or most passionate musicians/producers and that's why many of them ask others to produce their audio demos for their commercial banks. They buy and use synths primarily for exploring their sonic boundaries. There's nothing wrong with that because, as we all know, sound design is an art unto itself. So, these guys who hoard synths and have studios full of expensive hardware simply for the sake of twisting knobs have as much right to them as anyone else. |
Not all hoarders are passionless.
Sound designers are okay in my book.
Just because you can hoard a bunch of gear, it doesn't mean you should. Human rights /= moral boundaries |
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| Mad for Brad |
I have lots of gear hanging around in both my home in NY and in Canada. I just don't like selling things. Not because I like hoarding, I just find it stressful. I don't like putting adds up and I don't like having to be lowballed. My older brother is into guitars and recording and he does pick up a few items and sends some money my way but nowhere near what I would get on ebay. But really, charging family members is kinda gay.
I do hoard / collect music books. Scores, books on theory. I always try and get the Original publisher and not the lame dover editions. Some of the scores I have are worth quite a bit. But that is mostly collecting. The ones that are expensive, I have cheaper versions if I want to use. |
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| thecureforsin |
If you don't use it, sell it. Unless you have an arsenal of hardware synths, you don't need it.
Pick up a midi controller with faders and there you go. I recommend Novation's MKII stuff. |
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