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Master Output STILL clipping. WHY???? (pg. 2)
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| Atlantis-AR |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
although the loudest thing in my mix is -6DBFS, and everything around is mixed to the kick, so the other channels are even LOWER than -6DBFS. What the hell? Do I have to mix all over again? Even quiter? I won't be able to hear it that way. Or can I just lower my master fader by 6DBFS? Thanks for the help! |
I'm not sure what you mean by this exactly (whether it's the peaking volume or the channel volume), but the kick will usually be the loudest element because it's a transient and low-frequency sound that takes up the most mixing space. You won't really have to mix all over again although it is always good practise to mix with the master volume at 0.0 dB and have everything else peak well below this. But to cut to the chase you can just pull the master volume back and remove any master effects. |
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| Atlantis-AR |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
And besides that, this would mean that when I finish a track, and bounce it down, and let someone listen to it, it would sound very soft in volume, maybe too soft if you get my point. |
That's exactly how I (the listener) like it! |
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| Storyteller |
| I'm not sure you would qualify as an average listener :). |
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| CReddick |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
Anyway, I fixed my problem. I have put a Gain plugin from Logic on my master stereo output. It's set to -6 DB. I contacted a producer to see how he tackled this problem, and this is the way he does it. |
Any reputable mix engineer would advise you otherwise. Sure that's a band aid, but not a real 'fix'. You're killing your track's dynamic range by doing that.
If the mix was done correctly in the first place, you'd be leaving your master fader at 0.0 and not have any problems. |
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| AirPole |
Ehm, don't misunderstand me here man :)
Let's say you start a new project, or a new track. Before everything else, slam a gain plugin on the master output set to -6 DB or so. Then ofcourse also mix wisely, so even with this gain plugin on at -6 DB, set the fader of the kick for example too at -6 DB. So the difference is, that you do not lower the gain all of a sudden only when you see that your'e clipping it, but you start mixing with this gain setting so that clipping will not occur so quickly. I'm not sure if you understand me, I don't know how to explain it otherwise really :P
Maybe it's not the best way to do it, but I don't see what would be wrong with that method. Thanks for the replies everyone though, and keep the discuss going ofcourse. It's some food for thought rally if you ask me :)
Storyteller, you're an experienced producer right? How do you deal with these problems? |
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| CReddick |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
Ehm, don't misunderstand me here man :)
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I 100% follow man. Don't take my comments as negative. I'm just saying, rather than mess with the master fader... set yourself up so the final mix doesn't clip without any of these workarounds.
When I start a new track, I set the kick so it hits around -12 or -10, and then mix everything off of that. By the time all your parts sum, the mix as a whole on the master might peak around -6 or -5. Which your mastering engineer will love BTW. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
Ehm, don't misunderstand me here man :)
Let's say you start a new project, or a new track. Before everything else, slam a gain plugin on the master output set to -6 DB or so. Then ofcourse also mix wisely, so even with this gain plugin on at -6 DB, set the fader of the kick for example too at -6 DB. So the difference is, that you do not lower the gain all of a sudden only when you see that your'e clipping it, but you start mixing with this gain setting so that clipping will not occur so quickly. I'm not sure if you understand me, I don't know how to explain it otherwise really :P
Maybe it's not the best way to do it, but I don't see what would be wrong with that method. Thanks for the replies everyone though, and keep the discuss going ofcourse. It's some food for thought rally if you ask me :)
Storyteller, you're an experienced producer right? How do you deal with these problems? |
Listen to the advice already posted in the thread as it is correct - your idea above is only going to hide the fact that you are clipping - better to know that you are clipping as it means you have problems with your track arrangment/sounds |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
OMG, you highpassed everything? what about frequences around 1000Hz? it might be them clashing you moron. If a clap and a snare hits on the same frequencies, you have a problem, and you need to eq them differntly, not just HighPass. I give, people do not want advice around here.
slapping on a compressor on the master is the most retarded thing you can do!! |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
Ehm, don't misunderstand me here man :)
Let's say you start a new project, or a new track. Before everything else, slam a gain plugin on the master output set to -6 DB or so. Then ofcourse also mix wisely, so even with this gain plugin on at -6 DB, set the fader of the kick for example too at -6 DB. So the difference is, that you do not lower the gain all of a sudden only when you see that your'e clipping it, but you start mixing with this gain setting so that clipping will not occur so quickly. I'm not sure if you understand me, I don't know how to explain it otherwise really :P
Maybe it's not the best way to do it, but I don't see what would be wrong with that method. Thanks for the replies everyone though, and keep the discuss going ofcourse. It's some food for thought rally if you ask me :)
Storyteller, you're an experienced producer right? How do you deal with these problems? |
this is the worst thing you can do. read above. you need to eq your channels better. learn to eq. EQ! EQ!!!! (eq does not mean high pass everything). |
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| AirPole |
Oh my god, this is getting frustrating. Are you even 'listening' to me? I DO use EQ, and not just high pass everything. I cut away stuff that clashes, and sometimes add some air to pads, or cut off some of the heavier low end of them for example. I'm not totally new to this, it was just the clipping problem.
Ok, so some of you don't like the whole the inserting a Gain (not a compressor) on the master idea, that's fine. For my next project, I will set my faders even lower thanks for the advice. :) |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| its not about the faders, its what you put into the separate channels. maybe it distorts on separate instruments even before the mixer? have you thought about that? |
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| AirPole |
| Yes sir, thought about that. For example sometimes when you load a synth patch in ES2 or something, the output of that patch is set to 0 DB, where as other patches are often programmed with a lower output, -5 DB or something. But yeah, that's a good point you've got there. |
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