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Master Output STILL clipping. WHY???? (pg. 3)
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| try to lower the instrument gain instead of the mixer faders? i dont know if it matters in a digital world though but its a good practice anyway. think ive discussed it with Rann before (adjusting instrument gains instead of touching the mixer). Thats just the way I work, i never touch the mixer at all, all faders are on position 0, and I only use the meters for watching out. if its yellow, I lower the instrument gain. usually so that the meter doesnt go above -10 (for most instruments way lower too. i know that many people do not work this way though, but its a practice that hangs on me from djeing. when the mix is finished i render it without anything on the master, and then i can put the wav into a new project, and start with "mastering", but usually I never bother putting much on the master. |
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| evo8 |
Its simple really
If your kick is peaking at -7db say - run the kick on its own - master should be at -7 too (assuming no extra processing on the master channel)
Then start bringing in your other elements - watch the master. If it starts clipping then the last thing you brought in is clashing badly with the kick or some other channel that you just brought in...
No need to add gain plugs or any of that stuff |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| if your kick generates -7dB while soloed theres really not much room for anything else. i believe its too loud and it will sound dull. |
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| PlasticSoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
So, after a hard day of work in Logic Pro today, I noticed that I had inserted a limiter on the master output. So it's not clipping. However, when I 'bypass' the limiter, my master output clips about 5/6 DBFS, although the loudest thing in my mix is -6DBFS, and everything around is mixed to the kick, so the other channels are even LOWER than -6DBFS. What the hell? Do I have to mix all over again? Even quiter? I won't be able to hear it that way. Or can I just lower my master fader by 6DBFS? Thanks for the help! |
I think you need read this. Best mixdown tutorial ever:
http://soundsector.net/2010/03/25/h...xdown-tutorial/
I read it, now I dont have more headroom problems...
- Put your core elements on solo. Drag the channels of your kick, snare and bass line all the way down, and gradually bring them up until your master fader is beating around -10 to -8 decibel.
- Tweak and tune until you find the right balance between the core elements of your track.
- With the -10 to -8 decibel headroom we created with this, we leave enough room for other instruments to play.
Enjoy.
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis
if your kick generates -7dB while soloed theres really not much room for anything else. i believe its too loud and it will sound dull. |
hmm suppose it depends on what you are making, ive always got the kick peaking around -7 or -8, never any problems with headroom or dullness |
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| Atlantis-AR |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
Let's say you start a new project, or a new track. Before everything else, slam a gain plugin on the master output set to -6 DB or so. Then ofcourse also mix wisely, so even with this gain plugin on at -6 DB, set the fader of the kick for example too at -6 DB. So the difference is, that you do not lower the gain all of a sudden only when you see that your'e clipping it, but you start mixing with this gain setting so that clipping will not occur so quickly. I'm not sure if you understand me, I don't know how to explain it otherwise really :P |
You have got the be ing kidding me?!
AirPole, I am an engineer, contact me personally if you're serious about your music and want serious advice. I'd love to correct a few rights. |
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| Atlantis-AR |
| quote: | Originally posted by CReddick
When I start a new track, I set the kick so it hits around -12 or -10, and then mix everything off of that. By the time all your parts sum, the mix as a whole on the master might peak around -6 or -5. Which your mastering engineer will love BTW. |
Amen (I hate that saying since I'm not a religious person). |
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| Atlantis-AR |
Hey, I like good reads. Thanks for sharing. :) I do disagree on the make your kick and bass mono, though. |
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| Lolo |
not always easy indeed.
What I did in order to prevent from clipping is raise the volume of my speakers so I keep the levels down. All of them.
Oh I don't normalize often anymore.
And last resort, when everything is too hot, I put a -10db gain plugin on a channel and then duplicate it to all others except the fx auxes. |
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| AirPole |
Atlantis-AR, so you disagree? You think it's not a good method? I will contact you monday, today I have no time :)
So Lolo, you also lower the gain when clipping and you're a long time, professional, experienced producer. So you agree with me, right in some sort of way? |
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| Lolo |
| it's a little bit more complicated. Actually you should make sure that at NO time a plugin goes beyond 0db at its own output stage. You can eventually make sure of it by putting a meter (FreeG) between all plugins. |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
So Lolo, you also lower the gain when clipping and you're a long time, professional, experienced producer. So you agree with me, right in some sort of way? |
he lowers the channel gain before the mixer, not the master. cant you read? its the same ive been telling you from the start of this thread, like 5 times. i dont see why you are so afraid of just lowering your instruments? |
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