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Master Output STILL clipping. WHY???? (pg. 4)
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| Raphie |
SCD is right, It doesn't matter much where you lower, as long you lower INTO the master, not IN the master
you can iether drop your faders, or route everything to a subgroup and lower that one before going into the master.
The bottom line is that the master is better of (headroom wise) staying on unity gain |
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| Atlantis-AR |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
Atlantis-AR, so you disagree? |
Definitely, I would never recommend "slamming" the master before you even start mixing. It's the absolute last thing you should do. Channel volumes (i.e. pre mixer volumes) can be as low as you want them to be. Then, post mixer volumes can start to raise the overall level a bit, with the pre master volume still being a good couple of dB below clipping. It's only once you've finished the mixdown that you can start to think about limiting the peaks so that the final output level becomes -0.2 dB or so. |
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| kitphillips |
Its been discussed before and everyone should understand, that when dealing with modern 64 bit plugins in a 32 bit fp or 64 bit environment, there is no need to worry about clipping any of the channel faders or plugin ins/outs.
This means that you can quite legitimately drop the gain at the master, either using the master fader, or using a gain plugin as your first insert on the master.
For that matter, you can clip everything to and then drop your master 20 Dbfs and it'll still work just fine. I wouldn't recommend this because it'll up your ability to meter accurately. But the point remains, that the only priorities in setting your levels are
1/to make it sound good
2/to avoid clipping the final rendered product which comes out of the master channel
3/to allow your meters to give you the most information possible.
For those reasons, its usually best to run your levels AROUND 0 dBfs, but if they're a bit over or a bit under, its not going to make a jot of difference. |
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| AirPole |
| quote: | Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis
he lowers the channel gain before the mixer, not the master. cant you read? its the same ive been telling you from the start of this thread, like 5 times. i dont see why you are so afraid of just lowering your instruments? |
I'm not man, I'm not :)
Just looking for some good tips. Although the post above me makes me confused all over again. :crazy: |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| i was about to tell him to shut up with that lol. it might be true but its a really bad habit working that way, and im not even sure its true. dont touch the master, lower everywhere else. if you ever want to connect your song to a hardware mixer or rewire, your track is already balanced nicely if you work in this good practice. as i said earlier too, i dont even use the channel faders, i adjust everything on the instruments. the mixer are only for metering and sends/aux to me, everything on the mixer is just at default position (0). |
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| kitphillips |
^^^ Well thats a bizarre way of working and you shouldn't be criticizing others for their choices given that you don't even appear to use your mixer.
Theres nothing wrong with pumping your channel faders up and then bringing your master down if its clipping. Its perfectly normal practise. Why the do you think there even IS a master fader if you're not meant to use it???
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
I'm not man, I'm not :)
Just looking for some good tips. Although the post above me makes me confused all over again. :crazy: |
It doesn't make sense because it directly contradicts what a lot of people in here have been saying. They fail to realise that we're not in 1999 anymore and not working with analogue gear OR working with 16 bit audio where you can clip your plugins input stages.
This has been discussed a few times and the people on here who are actually professional engineers have basically agreed that it doesn't matter
Basically, as long as your master meter isn't clipping, you're fine. Beyond that, its really up to how you personally want to work.*
*Unless you happen to be using plugins that are 16/24 bit. |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| i didnt want to confuse the guy anymore than he already is. :) |
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| kitphillips |
bleh.... No use wrapping him up in cotton wool. He has to understand why you're giving that advice for it to be most helpful.
Also, who are you? Are you palm's new alias? Or just someone who hasn't been around for a while? |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| yes im "palm" whoever that really was lol. please forget about that name, i dont know why you people seem to remember that one better than anyone else i had. i try to be anonymus, thats why i change it all the time. not to be put in a booth by people thinking they have me figured out :). im just trying to teach him that keeping the levels right are clever. how one do it must one find out himself, i told him how i do it. |
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| Storyteller |
| Nice one, Palm! |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis
yes im "palm" whoever that really was lol. please forget about that name, i dont know why you people seem to remember that one better than anyone else i had. i try to be anonymus, thats why i change it all the time. not to be put in a booth by people thinking they have me figured out :). im just trying to teach him that keeping the levels right are clever. how one do it must one find out himself, i told him how i do it. |
Aha!! While I respect your anarchist attempts at anonimity, it does mean that bastards like me will often be rude to you thinking you're a noob, like when you were ken lee:p
Its weird too, because your actual writing style changes a lot between aliases... Usually I can pick an alt really fast from someone's writing style, but yours is really hard to pick. |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| thats because im not using alts, but change personality to the name i change to. right now i want to be president. i dont mind people talking to me like a noob, its their own loss lol. just see my reg-date, should be enough. it shouldnt matter who i am, when i say something, if its good info it should be taken to consideration, whoever I might be. if its bad info then just ignore it. im not a person on TA, im just a helpcenter. sometimes. ;) |
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