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Toronto Slut Walk (pg. 5)
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| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
Yes I see your point, and Im not naive to the fact that we dont live in a perfect world. And I do agree women get judged and taken advantage of, but that doesnt mean they are to BLAME, which is kinda what the police-guy was saying. That is all. Personally, ANY kind of sexual abuse or rape is totally disgusting to me. WORST thing you can do to a woman. :mad: :( |
I 100% agree with everything you've said on this issue, Kelly.
Men who can't control themselves and assault women are the problem, and they are the only ones who are at fault. Blaming women because of what they are wearing, is a cope out, and is just a way for the attackers to downplay their crime, and pass the blame. Gimme a break. Guys and girls that think otherwise should be ashamed. Many women who don't dress like 'sluts' get assaulted too you know, so what did they do wrong to deserve it? |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
bwahahaha exactly. Dude would realize QUICKLY that he picked the wrong one!! ROTATE!! :mad: :whip: :haha: :wtf: |
kelly, you'd smother and kill the dude with your big bazooks ;) |
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| LKD |
so should women wear shirts like this?
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| kamil |
I'm going to attend.
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| spitty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
It shouldn't, but it does. The bottom line is that girls who dress provocatively are more likely to attract the wrong kind of attention from the types of males that are willing to commit sexual crimes.
Does it give men the right? Of course not, and they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Are the girls that dress provocatively the ONLY girls that get assaulted? No, but it is more common in our society, and girls need to be aware of that fact.
Should we all live in an ideal world where we can do whatever we want and not be victimized for it? Sure, but that isn't the reality that we live in, and to believe you live in utopia when you don't is foolish. |
agreed 100%
and i'd still judge you for your small wang. i'd think you were brave...and crazy. It would be a negative towards the "would i ever?" formula |
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| pozz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
No, because not every guy is willing to run around raping every single girl that happens to dress all sexy-like. Believe it or not, there are women that can't control themselves either. Lesbian rape, for one, is not unheard of (and may be way more common than we believe), and women raping men can also happen, although it's even more under-reported than when women are raped. |
not my point. im not talking about statistics. point is that if the reason for rape is given as "provocative dress" then men are reduced to some half-kept in check dick needing the equivalent of blinders to function properly.
so it's not a real reason unless you know yourself to be one of those. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| heh, didn't we have this exact discussion not so long ago? guys will be like "well we can't heeeeeeeeelp it if her are hanging out from that cleavage and she's wearing a belt for a skirt" and girls will always defend their right to wear whatever the hell they want :) |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by pozz
not my point. im not talking about statistics. point is that if the reason for rape is given as "provocative dress" then men are reduced to some half-kept in check dick needing the equivalent of blinders to function properly.
so it's not a real reason unless you know yourself to be one of those. |
No, my point is that it's not JUST guys that have the problem. Women can be susceptible as well. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
heh, didn't we have this exact discussion not so long ago? guys will be like "well we can't heeeeeeeeelp it if her are hanging out from that cleavage and she's wearing a belt for a skirt" and girls will always defend their right to wear whatever the hell they want :) |
In an ideal world, women would wear whatever they want, and their risk of being sexually harassed or assaulted wouldn't increase. In reality, it does. It's unfortunate that those are the facts, but they are.
If a woman wants to decrease the chance that she will be be sexually harassed/assaulted or raped, then she will be mindful of the way that she dresses. No matter that the person committing the crime is 100% guilty and should be punished, there are steps that one can take to avoid becoming a victim, and dressing appropriately is one of those things.
The common analogy is that of a rich man walking through a poor section of town. If he wants to decrease his chances of being robbed, he will not wear his armani suit with a rolex on full display while counting the 3 grand he keeps in his wallet. Even though the people robbing him are 100% guilty and at-fault for the crime, he could have decreased his chances of being robbed in the first place by dressing appropriately in a cheap t-shirt and jeans and keeping his money in the bank, or at least in his pocket.
It's simply a method of managing risk, rather than placing blame, which is squarely in the perpetrator's, and not the victim's, hand. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
In an ideal world, women would wear whatever they want, and their risk of being sexually harassed or assaulted wouldn't increase. In reality, it does. It's unfortunate that those are the facts, but they are.
If a woman wants to decrease the chance that she will be be sexually harassed/assaulted or raped, then she will be mindful of the way that she dresses. No matter that the person committing the crime is 100% guilty and should be punished, there are steps that one can take to avoid becoming a victim, and dressing appropriately is one of those things.
The common analogy is that of a rich man walking through a poor section of town. If he wants to decrease his chances of being robbed, he will not wear his armani suit with a rolex on full display while counting the 3 grand he keeps in his wallet. Even though the people robbing him are 100% guilty and at-fault for the crime, he could have decreased his chances of being robbed in the first place by dressing appropriately in a cheap t-shirt and jeans and keeping his money in the bank, or at least in his pocket.
It's simply a method of managing risk, rather than placing blame, which is squarely in the perpetrator's, and not the victim's, hand. |
Bingo. |
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| kamil |
I think this whole 'protest' (if you want to call it that) is run by a bunch of typical sensitive canadian s. The kind that gets offended by the most insignificant bull, makes a stink about it and then a law and regulation comes into effect and the rest of the country suffers. You know, like people complaining about speed limites being too high, forcing an up to 10,000 dollar fine doing a measly 150km/hr on the highway, or having to hide cigarettes at shops behind the counter, or 2am cutoff for buying alcohol, ridiculous rules at beaches because someone doesnt like something someone else is doing.
This country is run by a bunch bureaucratic ****s that suck the life out of the very thing that makes us imperfect human beings. This place is a sterile JOKE.
As for the reasoning of this dumbass protest;
The cop said what was on everyones mind. His wording was off but his intent was bang on: dont dress like a slut if you dont want to be perceived as one. Simple ing logic that only a feminazi would bitch about. If *I* went out into public streets dressed as a thug, people would probably see me as one. If I wore a beater, women would probably label me as a player . But hey, that kind of isnt deemed protest worthy. It only happens when a cop says it. I dont condone getting raped obviously, or even feel that women shouldnt be allowed to dress like whores if they want to, but its a matter of reality: a small number of men are psychotic dogs and will rape a chick and will be more inclined to do so if half her ass and are hanging out.
Who know that revealing body parts would attract attention! SHOCKING!!!
Of all the things they chose to protest, THIS got their attention. Nevermind politics that actually effect us on a daily basis, or corporations limiting our consumption of media (UBB), etc. THIS, was their prioritized agenda.
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| LKD |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
Of all the things they chose to protest, THIS got their attention. Nevermind politics that actually effect us on a daily basis, or corporations limiting our consumption of media (UBB), etc. THIS, was their prioritized agenda.
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