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Traktor 2 Demo now available (pg. 4)
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| orTofønChiLd |
| im not even gonna bother posting back to that troll wow |
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| A.B |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
im not even gonna bother posting back to that troll wow |
No surprise. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.B
No surprise. |
i can't believe you went into my facebook looked for my post.
waht was your question
how is Traktor better than using CDJ's??
if u can't answer that yourself your a retard that doesn't know how to read a manual or use the search function. Now you know why i don't pay attention to you at all newb shall i go into your soundcloud and see your mixes?
i wouldnt wanna waste my time like you have |
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| n3lly |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
i can't believe you went into my facebook looked for my post.
waht was your question
how is Traktor better than using CDJ's??
if u can't answer that yourself your a retard that doesn't know how to read a manual or use the search function. Now you know why i don't pay attention to you at all newb shall i go into your soundcloud and see your mixes?
i wouldnt wanna waste my time like you have |
Why is it you're the only person I ever have to ask to check your tone on here? Seriously? It's wrecking my head as I have to trawl through the e you write to see whether or not I have to take any proper action.. Why not just leave it out? Who cares if the same question is asked every now and again. You and I know the search function isn't the best on here and doesn't throw up fantastic results. Suggest a search and leave it at that without having to abuse the person asking. If it's a troll, again suggest it but don't go on some tirade to prove your point.
I'm seriously getting fed up with this which is why I'm writing as much as I have above.
I'm asking you nicely please stop with abusive posts. Let other newbs or trolls or whatever you want to call them answer each others questions or suggest a way in which they can get their answers but leave it at that.
cheers.. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by n3lly
Why is it you're the only person I ever have to ask to check your tone on here? Seriously? It's wrecking my head as I have to trawl through the e you write to see whether or not I have to take any proper action.. Why not just leave it out? Who cares if the same question is asked every now and again. You and I know the search function isn't the best on here and doesn't throw up fantastic results. Suggest a search and leave it at that without having to abuse the person asking. If it's a troll, again suggest it but don't go on some tirade to prove your point.
I'm seriously getting fed up with this which is why I'm writing as much as I have above.
I'm asking you nicely please stop with abusive posts. Let other newbs or trolls or whatever you want to call them answer each others questions or suggest a way in which they can get their answers but leave it at that.
cheers.. |
my bad nelly, i'll change my tone |
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| OMNIFEX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis
the whole point is balanced though, so if its not using all three pins then its pointless. |
In your case it is not balanced it is shielding from interference for you are conducting long runs. That requires cable with better shielding (thicker hosing).
Balanced requires the source to offer balance output. Turntables and DJ CD players offer RCA outputs, which is unbalanced. No matter if the mixer or sound card offered balanced outputs, it still would be an unbalanced output if you chose to use the XLR output of the mixer or sound card.
Since pro audio sound cards lift the ground off the computer chassis to eliminate hum, there is no need for a balanced output... unless you are feeding an input with its output source offers balanced (XLR or 1/4) inputs.
I hope that wasn't too confusing too understand.
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| thats my whole point the whole chain should be balanced. from computer or cdj to mixer and from mixer to crossovers, from crossovers to amps. all balanced XLR (or TRS). every brand with respect for themselfs and music in general should be doing this imo. RCA, minijacks and like that must die. together with mp3. i dont understand why you disagree... |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
my bad nelly, i'll change my tone |
Yeah. You've been bad.
Real bad. |
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| n3lly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
Yeah. You've been bad.
Real bad. |
All of you know I hate having to ask people to be more polite or what not on here.
And by no means do I want to sound like a parent but I've always felt the Dj Booth has evaded some of the more childish antics that happen around TA (it being such a large forum it's just something you have to deal with)... So all I'm trying to do is keep this place a nice spot for people to visit and ask their questions. Even if they've been asked a good few times.
I think we have a nice bunch of regulars on here and I'd like to keep it that way.. |
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| OMNIFEX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis
thats my whole point the whole chain should be balanced. from computer or cdj to mixer and from mixer to crossovers, from crossovers to amps. all balanced XLR (or TRS). every brand with respect for themselfs and music in general should be doing this imo. RCA, minijacks and like that must die. together with mp3. i dont understand why you disagree... |
I don't disagree. You are assuming certain devices should offer balanced outputs despite the source (Turntables & Cd players) were designed for the home consumer...which offers standard RCA outputs.
My DJ Mixers offer XLR outputs because the Microphone inputs offer XLR inputs. My Live Boards offer XLR outputs because the Microphone inputs offer XLR inputs. Had the microphone offered a ¼” (Tip Sleeve) the mixers would not offer XLR outputs but, unbalanced (Tip sleeve ¼” or RCA) outputs.
Computers do not need balanced audio outputs unless you are sending a balanced input into the computer’s sound card
A properly designed soundcard will have the ground lifted off the computer's chassis so no hum is present.
Take look at the noise floor of the standard pro audio soundcard and you will see there is no reason to have XLR outputs when the whole idea of having a balanced signal is to reduce the noise floor.
The old M-Audio 2496 offers a – 104 dB noise floor, and sports RCA outputs. That is better than many Analogue DJ mixers that offer XLR outputs.
Since the concept of the Tip Ring Sleeve is to prevent hum passing in the audio signal from the power transformer residing on the chassis, and the audio sound card’s ground is lifted off the chassis where the power transformer resides, why is their a need for XLR outputs other than the “look” of being professional?
As you can see with the following link, 0 dB is the limit in the human’s perception of Sound and, professional audio sound cards offer specifications within a – 100 dB to –120 dB in terms of noise floor.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.ed...und/intens.html
Here is the noise floor of the M Audio 2496 (RCA Outputs)
http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do...8&showing=specs
Here you will find measured results
http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html
Native Instruments Audio 6 offers – 102 dB
http://www.native-instruments.com/#...io-6/?page=1964
In digital audio playback the connector does not play a factor on the noise floor.
Coincidently, the Denon DN-X 1700 sports XLR Outputs and offers a – 100 dB noise floor. Of course, -110 dB could be considered but, 1 kHz is more marketing tactics. :) |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by n3lly
All of you know I hate having to ask people to be more polite or what not on here.
And by no means do I want to sound like a parent but I've always felt the Dj Booth has evaded some of the more childish antics that happen around TA (it being such a large forum it's just something you have to deal with)... So all I'm trying to do is keep this place a nice spot for people to visit and ask their questions. Even if they've been asked a good few times.
I think we have a nice bunch of regulars on here and I'd like to keep it that way.. |
If only there was some way to filter off the Irish, then DJ Booth would be infinitely helpful. |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| quote: | Originally posted by OMNIFEX
I don't disagree. You are assuming certain devices should offer balanced outputs despite the source (Turntables & Cd players) were designed for the home consumer...which offers standard RCA outputs.
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this is my point exactly, CDJ1000 and SL1210 isnt design for home consumer but PA/Pro. So it should follow those standards.
| quote: | Originally posted by OMNIFEX
Computers do not need balanced audio outputs unless you are sending a balanced input into the computer’s sound card
A properly designed soundcard will have the ground lifted off the computer's chassis so no hum is present.
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this is where i totally disagree. Its a well known topic in all production forums.
I have to use balanced XLR in my home setup to avoid hum from the computer and other sources, mostly because the soundcard is powered, the computer is powered, and the monitors are powered, all separately and im guessing its the computer causing problems.
if id switch to the USB soundcard from traktor with RCA id get problems immediately, problems i could only solve by having separated power outlets to the gear. if i only switch the cable to unbalanced the same problem will occur with my current soundcard (Audiofire 4).
they interfere with each others and causing problems which is a well discussed topic in the production studio subforum. We are many who had the same problems with hum and its always solved by using balanced XLR on balanced gear.
Ive also had problem before using RCA outs from my old DJM500 over 10m and at the same time a small RCA to minijack on the booth channel out connected to a computer for recording the set. this caused HUM everytime, no matter where I was. by changing over to TRS (probably balanced on the DJM500 i dont recall) the problem was fixed.
i dont know the theory behind I just know what solves problems and this is a potential problem with the rise of laptop djeing (probably because the powersupply in computers are ty i guess?). Balanced outputs and inputs on all gear is future thinking problemsolving. |
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