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Everything popular is wrong - Stefan Goldmann (pg. 6)
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| Raphie |
| Ofcourse I was joking a bit regarding DJ's, but the ego part is true, most people (exceptions left alone) are only interested in promoting themselves, hence a lot of the good stuff that is available here is not being noticed and picked up, by any other people than the few with a true altrusistic genuine interest in other peoples work. |
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| -FSP- |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
lots of good opinions in here, the only thing i would say is the audiences have definitely moved from DJ to producer, I know we're all complaining about how easy it is to DJ vs produce but I can't think of anyone as of late who has made themselves famous from just DJing, can you (yes i know lots of people use ghost producers, that's a whole other topic)?
Maybe the general audience is wording it wrong or the media is positioning it incorrectly but the guys at the top [who actually write their own music] are artists (regardless if you like their music or not). |
Yep, and that's why artists shouldn't be calling themselves producers or a dj/producer tweener. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Personally, I like to refer to myself as a Grand High Wizard Of Audio Magic. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
What's a good DJ to you? A good marketer? |
No, I know I've seen a good DJ when I get up and dance around. There are lots of factors that lead into that, starting with good technical skills, good track selection, leading to more advanced skills like being able to build and program a good set and deliver tracks in surprising ways, and finally being able to attract a good crowd of people who are like minded. Marketing a part of that last bit, but its not really what its about.
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Good questions. I would say the answer to (2) is much larger than the answer to (3).
I think it is generally assumed on TA -- and not just by the DJs, but by most who care about music here -- that the producer forums are full of people stuck in the year 2000, trying to make the perfect supersaw lead and snare roll. While this was perhaps closer to the truth five or six years ago, it has been false for quite a while, but for some reason the perception hasn't changed much. |
See the post below you for why its still true. Most people in the production forum still like trance, they don't go to clubs to listen to music 9/10 times IMO. There are a few regulars who that doesn't apply to, but overall, most of the "producers" here are either kids who are too young to go out or older guys who don't like it any more.
In my opinion Eddie is spot on. Most of the stuff that comes out of this forum lacks distinctiveness because the producers here don't go out in search of new genres or tracks. Look at the hostility that gets shown towards dubstep here. Even worse, the new tracks they do hear seem to be ones they've heard on the radio, which totally distorts your perception of any new genre that does come along.
Generally, producers on TA just aren't plugged into the scene in any meaningful way, and that's why their productions are boring, they've been doing the same and chasing the same sound since 2002, and its grown completely stale for them. |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
DJs are not artists.
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I've heard your music, and I can safely say that neither are you, dude. |
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| dj_alfi |
and she's hot too :eek: |
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| Stu Cox |
Producers are now going through the same 'boom' that DJs went through 10 years ago.
People realised that DJing wasn't that hard, so everyone wanted to be a DJ. We ended up with more DJs than we know what to do with, so it became harder for them to get gigs. People realised that writing a few tunes can get your name known (and modern DAWs made it a lot easier and cheaper), so they started producing. Add that to the number of people who already want to produce without DJing and we've ended up with more producers than we know what to do with.
All these hundreds of producers haven't suffered from the same 'starvation' as DJs have because it's now so easy to set up your own label - you can do it for free - so you have hundreds of new labels hardly selling any copies, but not caring because it doesn't cost them anything.
But it does mean that it's very hard for producers to get recognised. And it certainly is no longer the case that you can get gigs as a DJ just by releasing a few tunes - they're all at it.
So soon people will cotton onto another way to get gigs and everyone will start doing that instead. |
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| Lolo |
entirely agree with stu cox here. But may I add that this does not mean we're too many people trying to put music out?
Actually, I see this crunch into my area as the very best thing that happened. And the more the better.
Because in the next few years we will see a rise in terms of quality overall, in every single genre of music. Not only dancefloor music! We already have seen artists such as Apparat, Ellen Alien, Blake, Burial, become instant stars, and believe me, this is only the beginning.
Something's happening, like a huge reset inside the music industry, and for a better good. You can see it now, or you must be blind. |
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| zodiac9 |
| I like the spirit and attitude of dubstep, doing your own thing with no boundaries or limits. I doubt I'll ever be a fan, but I sure can learn something from it. Playing live with no quantizing, that's a fresh idea. I play live when I compose, but I always clean it up or quantize. Might be time to change that. I like break beats, 4 on the floor gets old. Well anyways, this thread inspired me a bit. Time to rethink things. |
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| Raphie |
| I've given up on genres, i make Raphie Sounds, whether people like it or not :D |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
I've given up on genres, i make Raphie Sounds, whether people like it or not :D |
+1
I think people, first and foremost, should be making the music they want to hear. Whatever genre it falls into should be something that occurs, almost after the fact. |
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