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| AY STAR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capo di tutti
I literally have 0 against you...so plz don't take it as an attack but fox news is such !
I can pull up so many bloopers or staged events or you can just google them...CNN is BAD but FoxNews is the WORST. |
nah i know fox news isent the most reliable source of news |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
nope...nobody celebrating his death here.
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Neither She-fitz nor Ay star said that they werent celebrating. The point was that the people were celebrating the death of a man who orchastrated the deaths of innocent civilians. The cheering 10 years ago was the for the deaths of innocent people who have never commited such crimes. Again, totally different circumstances.
Another thought on this is, that people in both our countries and across the globe need to build the capacity to separate citizen from its government. People who can not do such a thing are the epitome of ignorance and contribute to some of the biggest problems in this world. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
Neither She-fitz nor Ay star said that they werent celebrating. The point was that the people were celebrating the death of a man who orchastrated the deaths of innocent civilians. The cheering 10 years ago was the for the deaths of innocent people who have never commited such crimes. Again, totally different circumstances.
Another thought on this is, that people in both our countries and across the globe need to build the capacity to separate citizen from its government. People who can not do such a thing are the epitome of ignorance and contribute to some of the biggest problems in this world. |
once again....you are not looking at it from the other side...to the other side the innocent people were not innocent people...they were evil and deserved to die...so not so different. |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
once again....you are not looking at it from the other side...to the other side the innocent people were not innocent people...they were evil and deserved to die...so not so different. |
I really am. Please do not tell me what I am doing or not doing.
Your statement would be the equivalant of me encouraging innocent Muslim deaths because I equate Osama's acts with everyone in the Muslim world. I did not do that because I am capable of separating goverment, psycho individuals and groups, from everyday citizens who want to live their lives in peace. I respect every single last one of these Muslim people. There are people both here AND there who are also capable of this concept, and did exactly that. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
yet I only respond to people saying the same thing...its okay for us to celebrate but not okay for the other side to. |
It's not ok for them because they purposely kill INNOCENTS and not enemies of the state. You think innocent people are killed on PURPOSE by the US or any army with decent laws and sense of civility??
Like Kelly said there's a huge difference. KELLY! <3
and I'm against war for the most part... |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
You think innocent people are killed on PURPOSE by the US or any army with decent laws and sense of civility?? |
so what would you call murder of gadaffi's (sp?) son and his 3 kids??
let me guess, collateral damage? |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
so what would you call murder of gadaffi's (sp?) son and his 3 kids??
let me guess, collateral damage? |
He's not a terrorist, just a dictator. Different IMO. Depends on to what extremes he's willing to go.
Also what Kelly was saying about seperation of a citizen and the government is HUGE HUGE HUGE. Similar to seperation of church and state. This MUST exist.
As for american foreign policy, if they keep to themselves and stay out of others' affairs like they have lately in Egypt (no aggressive taking over or imposing their own 'vouched' for people to be put in the Gov) it would be great. Who's to say these extremists won't find ANOTHER reason to attack them? Stupidity and ignorance know no bounds... |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
It's not ok for them because they purposely kill INNOCENTS and not enemies of the state. You think innocent people are killed on PURPOSE by the US or any army with decent laws and sense of civility??
Like Kelly said there's a huge difference. KELLY! <3
and I'm against war for the most part... |
I don't think anyone should be killing anyone...and personally I think they did kill innocent people...but in their minds they are not innocent people as they don't live a moral and virtuous life. Like it or not, going to the streets in celebration only makes it easier for them to justify, in their minds, further attacks on Americans. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I don't think anyone should be killing anyone...and personally I think they did kill innocent people...but in their minds they are not innocent people as they don't live a moral and virtuous life. Like it or not, going to the streets in celebration only makes it easier for them to justify, in their minds, further attacks on Americans. |
For sure man, an eye for an eye makes the world blind. But what would you do? Try him? He'd be dead soon after anyway from some inmate killing him. That's no real justification though.
What would any of you who criticize US action with this specific casee say if this applied to Hitler??
I get what you're saying about how they believe they're not innocent by not leading that kind of live. HOWEVER the vast majority of the world believes this does NOT deserve in those apparent 'sinners' dying. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
For sure man, an eye for an eye makes the world blind. But what would you do? Try him? He'd be dead soon after anyway from some inmate killing him. That's no real justification though.
What would any of you who criticize US action with this specific casee say if this applied to Hitler??
I get what you're saying about how they believe they're not innocent by not leading that kind of live. HOWEVER the vast majority of the world believes this does NOT deserve in those apparent 'sinners' dying. |
my only issue has been the way people were celebrating this. I understand being happy and wanting to give out a big F U to terrorists but this kind of celebrating does nothing but generate more fuel for them to feed off. Its like a bunch of kids going "nah nah nah nah nah you can't beat us" |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
my only issue has been the way people were celebrating this. I understand being happy and wanting to give out a big F U to terrorists but this kind of celebrating does nothing but generate more fuel for them to feed off. Its like a bunch of kids going "nah nah nah nah nah you can't beat us" |
Fair enough but what are you going to do? Have cops out to keep the people from taking that kind of action?? Besides, I take it you disagree with my comment earlier that they'll probably find something to bitch about with or without the celebrating? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
Fair enough but what are you going to do? Have cops out to keep the people from taking that kind of action?? Besides, I take it you disagree with my comment earlier that they'll probably find something to bitch about with or without the celebrating? |
no I don't disagree because they will always be able to find something to justify their actions and beliefs. I just think people can find other ways to celebrate something like this without being a bunch of asses. |
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