Originally posted by Mattinsanity
^ah my assessment on atheists might be wrong. here's a clip of one of the greatest ministers today:
what a condescending douchebag
djshan
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Originally posted by Desiderata
They deserve less respect because they don't take a book 100% down to each and every word written?
If they dont follow the book word for word, then they are wasting their time. When you work for a company, do you disregard the "policies" you dont like? Should you not get fired if anything? Its the same with religion... your suppose to follow it word for word or find something better to do! :whip:
Desiderata
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Originally posted by djshan
If they dont follow the book word for word, then they are wasting their time. When you work for a company, do you disregard the "policies" you dont like? Should you not get fired if anything? Its the same with religion... your suppose to follow it word for word or find something better to do! :whip:
How can you compare the two. A company brings you income and you would be wise NOT to create static over a few loopholes in their policies.
Now, someone who makes a living of spouting a Religous book better take it literal!
But the only Religious book/Religion I have seen this modification in is the Bible with American people.
So, I now have to ask are you a Religious person?
Don't you think that they disregard the complete impossible nature that taking the Bibleword for word and pay more attention to the things they agree upon and spendingmore time focusing on those aspects a positive thing?
I suppose these people would have to be in your family and a couple close friends to understand. I don't 100% agree with them because I don't believe in the whole gig, however the people that I know, I enjoy that they kept there tradions and after studying it all made modifications.
Moongoose
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Originally posted by Desiderata
They deserve less respect because they don't take a book 100% down to each and every word written?
Yes.
Dont forget its not just any book. Its the infallible word of god, full of rules that se set down for you to follow. Not set down so you can pick out those that you dont like and still feel good and smugh about yourself. Thats why in a way those who commit 100% to to it deserve more respect than those who do not. They fully embrace their insanity, the others just try to rationalise it.
Capitalizt
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Originally posted by Moongoose
Yes.
Dont forget its not just any book. Its the infallible word of god, full of rules set down for you to follow. Not set down so you can pick out those that you dont like and still feel good and smug about yourself. Thats why in a way those who commit 100% to to it deserve more respect than those who do not.
Srsly. The believers here need to get with it. Your book contains flawless moral rules from the creator of the universe..
Originally posted by srussell0018
If there's nothing wrong with hating religion than there's nothing wrong with religious people hating you.
I have to disagree with this statement. If I, as a Catholic, hate my fellow man then I'm being rather hypocritical, which most would consider "wrong."
Desiderata
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Originally posted by Moongoose
Yes.
Dont forget its not just any book. Its the infallible word of god, full of rules that se set down for you to follow. Not set down so you can pick out those that you dont like and still feel good and smugh about yourself. Thats why in a way those who commit 100% to to it deserve more respect than those who do not. They fully embrace their insanity, the others just try to rationalise it.
Hey, I didn't say they feel "smug" or should we coin the phase "Hollier than thou"
Bottom line, I'm not one of them. Nut
, compared to people who take the Bible so literally that they shut off all other people just because of a Religious aspect.
Also, look at it this way, maybe 10% of these people will turn Atheist and another 10% Agnostic.
If that makes you feel better.
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by Moongoose
Dont forget its not just any book. Its the infallible word of god, full of rules that se set down for you to follow.
Nigga please! I enjoy how people who are entirely anti-religious foist belief onto religious peole and then mock them for the beliefs they do not actually have. Very few people believe the bible to be the infallible word of god; even fewer churches teach that it is. Ask just about any minister/priest/clergy and they will openly admit that the bible was written by it's authors for specific audiences seeking to put forward specific beliefs and accomplish specific goals. This is why if you read two books containing the same story you will find the stories are different... because the authors were stressing different things. For example; Matthew identifies Jesus as being crucified the day of passover (the afternoon following the passover meal) whereas John states it happened on the day preceeding passover (the afternoon just prior to the passover meal) (remember the Hebrew day starts at sundown)... the reason for this is that John is trying to equate Jesus to the lambs that are sacraficed and eaten as part of the passover. This difference would have been deliberate on John's part; an attempt to convince Jews that Jesus' death replaces that passover and so too should Christianity replace Judiasm. When confronted with discrepencies like this it is not really possible to believe that every word of the bible is true. Moreover, when one consideres that there are no original copies of the books of the bible and that they have been edited and changed countless times it is folly to believe that every word is exactly as it was orignially written, even more ludicris to believe they are all the direct word of god (which of course it is not claimed to be). Indeed, very few believe the bible is the true and perfect word of god; rather, people who seek to attack religion prefer to argue that is what adherants believe because it's much easier to point to inconsistancies and say "ha, it's not perfect so your entire belief system is flawed" then it is to actually discern what people really believe and then find flaw with it then it is to find fault with a characture of one's belief. Is the bible absolutely true, perfect, and the word of god... hell no... does that mean it has zero value, of course not.
Desiderata
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Originally posted by Desiderata
Hey, I didn't say they feel "smug" or should we coin the phase "Hollier than thou"
Bottom line, I'm not one of them. But,
compared to people who take the Bible so literally that they shut off all other people just because of a Religious aspect.
Also, look at it this way, maybe 10% of these people will turn Atheist and another 10% Agnostic.
If that makes you feel better.
Znack
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Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I enjoy how people who are entirely anti-religious foist belief onto religious peole and then mock them for the beliefs they do not actually have.
At least thats not what Pat Condell does in this video. This is still about the right to make people offended.
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by Znack
At least thats not what Pat Condell does in this video. This is still about the right to make people offended.
I'll take your word for it, as I haven't bothered with the video, nor was I addressing it. If the question in the thread is whether or not people have the right to offend others then I reject the question... it should be phrased "do people have the right to express a position that others may find offensive?" I would argue that without question they do.
