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Is the "promoter dj" killing the club scene? (pg. 2)
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| Sly_Guy |
| meh, any kind of show biz is always about whoring yourself out. Why would DJs be any different? |
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| Shaya007 |
| I wonder if guetta has a list running...lool |
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| samhouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
meh, any kind of show biz is always about whoring yourself out. Why would DJs be any different? |
I have to agree here.
DJ's will always have to promote themselves but if they are ty, then eventually they will be weeded out. The competition is too intense and you HAVE to be able to back up your game.
A strong guest list will only get you so far in the long run. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
I disagree. While there are a lot of quality DJs playing out in the city these days, much of clubland is filled with middling hacks boasting 5,000 "friends" who'll show simply because that's where everyone else is going. Use the 5% rule (percentage of your invites you expect to attend), and anyone will a laptop, Traktor and an extensive online network (whether earned or not) can fill pretty much any small downtown club/lounge in this city.
That's what venue owners want - most club owners don't give a about music. Yes, clubs need to be profit oriented, but when that's the sole motivation for opening a venue, you end up attracting fickle crowds who are there primarily to be with their friends and party, and who'll jump ship as soon as the 'cool' factor has waned.
The small handfuls of venues in this city owned by those who actually understand and appreciate the music and its fans will always have a certain longevity. But invariably, with so much cookie-cutter competition out there, even these venues end up having to fill the dancefloor with clueless people (having never heard what a truly talented DJ sounds like) halfheartledly shuffling around to Beatport top ten jukeboxes who are booked more on hype than any discernible talent.
We can *always* use more quality venues, owned and operated by business people who are actual electronic music fans. Bonus for bringing back oldschool door policies, where the door staff let people in based on something a bit more substantial than how ballin' they look. :) |
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| cammaxwell |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
I disagree. While there are a lot of quality DJs playing out in the city these days, much of clubland is filled with middling hacks boasting 5,000 "friends" who'll show simply because that's where everyone else is going. Use the 5% rule (percentage of your invites you expect to attend), and anyone will a laptop, Traktor and an extensive online network (whether earned or not) can fill pretty much any small downtown club/lounge in this city.
That's what venue owners want - most club owners don't give a about music. Yes, clubs need to be profit oriented, but when that's the sole motivation for opening a venue, you end up attracting fickle crowds who are there primarily to be with their friends and party, and who'll jump ship as soon as the 'cool' factor has waned.
The small handfuls of venues in this city owned by those who actually understand and appreciate the music and its fans will always have a certain longevity. But invariably, with so much cookie-cutter competition out there, even these venues end up having to fill the dancefloor with clueless people (having never heard what a truly talented DJ sounds like) halfheartledly shuffling around to Beatport top ten jukeboxes who are booked more on hype than any discernible talent.
We can *always* use more quality venues, owned and operated by business people who are actual electronic music fans. Bonus for bringing back oldschool door policies, where the door staff let people in based on something a bit more substantial than how ballin' they look. :) |
I actually disagree, and I'm only basing that on the clubs I have played and been exposed to in our scene. I'm not talking about any small lounge or whatever.
First, contrary to what you have said above I don't think it's that easy to build a large list and actually have people show up your gigs. If your logic was true, than every small club and lounge in the city would be packed every weekend, and they are not. There are TONS of people like you have described above and yet 99% of them CAN'T pull a crowd no matter how many friends they have on FB.
I agree that the crowd pull should be in the hands of promoters and owners, not the DJ. But in all honesty, there is SO MUCH competition in this city for up and coming DJ's that you HAVE to bring everything to the table. You have to have skills, you have to be able to pull a crowd, and if you can bring a large list than DO THAT to! Why would any club owners have to pick crap DJ's when there lots of new guys out there now who have skills AND match the list thing? I don't get why a club would go with a guy with no skills just for the list, when he can get talent and a list. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammaxwell
I actually disagree, and I'm only basing that on the clubs I have played and been exposed to in our scene. I'm not talking about any small lounge or whatever.
First, contrary to what you have said above I don't think it's that easy to build a large list and actually have people show up your gigs. If your logic was true, than every small club and lounge in the city would be packed every weekend, and they are not. There are TONS of people like you have described above and yet 99% of them CAN'T pull a crowd no matter how many friends they have on FB.
I agree that the crowd pull should be in the hands of promoters and owners, not the DJ. But in all honesty, there is SO MUCH competition in this city for up and coming DJ's that you HAVE to bring everything to the table. You have to have skills, you have to be able to pull a crowd, and if you can bring a large list than DO THAT to! Why would any club owners have to pick crap DJ's when there lots of new guys out there now who have skills AND match the list thing? I don't get why a club would go with a guy with no skills just for the list, when he can get talent and a list. |
just because you 'have to', that doesnt mean that has to be the way it should be.
How many talented djs get overlooked because they dont have the ability to get a decent gl? |
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| Shaya007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
just because you 'have to', that doesnt mean that has to be the way it should be.
How many talented djs get overlooked because they dont have the ability to get a decent gl? |
and how many TY d.js get gigs because they have a good list?
too many |
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| Adamo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shaya007
and how many TY d.js get gigs because they have a good list?
too many |
start naming names, lets flush them out! |
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| StereoPrincess |
The answer is no.
If there were no DJ promoters, there would be no promoters at all. And therefore their would be no scene. |
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| PivotTechno |
| I guess you missed that decade-long period when Toronto was chock-full o' promoters who were really good at promoting and left the DJing to the DJs, huh? |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
I guess you missed that decade-long period when Toronto was chock-full o' promoters who were really good at promoting and left the DJing to the DJs, huh? |
yeah, lol. i guess so. |
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