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Is the "promoter dj" killing the club scene? (pg. 3)
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| LightsOut |
its an unfortunate part of our scene here imo. a dj should dj and focus on music, and a club/promoter should focus on brining edm fans out to the venue.
I see the difference everyday on facebook.
I have a bunch of friends who DJ from Europe on my list. When they have a gig, they maybe update their status the day of, thats it.
When a DJ friend from Toronto has a gig, I get like 3 different event invitations, status updates everyday for the week leading up to the party, or god forbid, tagged in a picture promoting the gig. This happens all the time. Ridiculous. |
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| Capo di tutti |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shaya007
and how many TY d.js get gigs because they have a good list?
too many |
true, but these "djs" and their ballwashing cliques usually fade in 6 - 12 months once the novelty wears off...no longevity, no evolving.
how about dj's who self promote...that's just as bad. |
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| Adamo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capo di tutti
how about dj's who self promote...that's just as bad. |
all DJs do this. |
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| Capo di tutti |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adamo
all DJs do this. |
notifying of an event(s) is one thing...talking about how "sick" you are, or releasing a set twice a week talking about how it was made by the hand of God, talking about how "incredible" your unmastered/unreleased track is etc... |
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| LightsOut |
| or even worse when its the same ing set being promoted over and over again. |
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| cammaxwell |
Those are all great examples of what DJ's shouldn't be doing, and I would tend to believe those guys are the ones who AREN'T pulling any crowds and are therefore desperate to get some attention.
But to promote yourself "properly" by having a website, releasing a set every couple months or messaging your FB group (a group people joined) the week of your gig is fine in my opinion (a single message).
Our scene is much different here than it is in Europe, and it's DEFINITELY different than it was in the late nineties when you had thousands attending any given rave every weekend.
I completely agree that some guys go over bored and abuse their promoting, but I also think that in a competitive city like Toronto the guys that refuse to do any promoting will get left behind. Whether that's a bad thing or not is up for opinion, but those guys people have mentioned who don't get booked but have talent should maybe start promoting themselves and pick up a phone. There lots of opportunity out there, you just have to go get it... |
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| Jeff Button |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
I guess you missed that decade-long period when Toronto was chock-full o' promoters who were really good at promoting and left the DJing to the DJs, huh? |
Facebook killed the promoter |
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| I_Am_Vince |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammaxwell
I don't think there is anything wrong with a DJ promoting themselves and generating a healthy GL, as long as it's not to aggressive and in your face. I also don't think any DJ who is crap would be able to get a huge list, at least not consistently.
I agree that a DJ should be booked on his ability and not the size of his list, but I also understand club owners/promoters judging his list as a measure of how well people in the scene like his music. In our scene, if you're not any good you just won't be able to pull a big list.
A top 40 club would be different sure, where people are just going to drink. But our scene people come for the DJ/music and aren't going to support someone if they don't provide that.
A large list shouldn't be demanded or expected by the DJ, but a healthy list through a little promotion is fine I think. |
I agree 100%! |
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| rulzz |
dj promoter definitely contributed but demise also lies in fact that people don't come out just to listen to music anymore but rather they go to events only with foreign talent.
whats particularly bad about dj promoters it is that quality of music selection starts to suffer. In race for attendance they simply have no time to do proper crate/beatport digging. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
I guess you missed that decade-long period when Toronto was chock-full o' promoters who were really good at promoting and left the DJing to the DJs, huh? |
She was around at the end of that time...
Just oblivious I guess...
As for the thread topic, there are so many things killing the scene and promo/DJs are def part of the problem...
However, they were spawned by venues which were lacking of real promoters and passed that responsibility to aspiring DJs...
It's all pretty f uckered.. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Button
Facebook killed the promoter |
Yup. Just like computers killed proper DJing... |
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| PivotTechno |
Unless you're dealing with some sort of musical savant, it's pretty easy to hear the difference between a DJ who's initimate with the contents of their crates (digital or otherwise) vs. someone who's just mixing tracks.
The proliferation of the latter is one of the reasons I don't go out much these days. You may be playing what's hot at the moment, but your mixing makes you sound like a glorified, overpriced jukebox. |
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