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Do you make the kick the lowest frequency in your track?
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| Richard Butler |
For ages I've been struggling with the low end, and today I want to ask you'all about somthing.
Some time ago I watched the Freemasons in the studio and they said something I've always stuck by, which was to 'always make the kick the lowest freq in the track'. They didn't mean the higher clicky parts of the kick of course.
They said then have the bass sitting higher or you would have 'no end of problems'.
Thing is I'm sure I can hear in some tracks that the low / sub bass is the lowest sound in a lot of tracks.
So with me so far a kick will peak around 75, and thanks to the freemasons I tend to have the bass focused on about 85 or so (obviously not the mid bass parts), but I have yet to make a track where I'm satisfied with the low end.
Any thoughts? |
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| Excess |
| i think it depends on what you're trying to accomplish and why. for radio playback etc. the bass focus should definitely be 85+hz. however, some artists are making music strictly for awesome club playback. take matt lange for instance, and his newest remix of andrew bayer's counting the points. he even posted on fb or youtube IIRC saying something like 'for those of you saying there's no bassline, trust me there is one' - and when that track is played on a big system - you can feel the sub frequencies. |
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| orTof�nChiLd |
I like this thread
Where's that post ross |
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| meriter |
| Just keep in mind the most important thing is to honor what the track needs musically. You can always sidechain if the frequencies overlap, just don't ditch a perfectly good bassline cause it's not perfect from a production standpoint. It's kinda limiting when you approach things with this attitude, like it's more important to choose elements that fill the space rather than putting your focus on what's effective musically. You throw out a lot of the creative process that way. |
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| sicc |
| Kick drums in my productions have been rather low, but I does not seem necessary to delegate a specific sound to be "the lowest". Just produce what sounds good to you, and as said earlier, if you have overlapping frequencies you can sidechain. In my most recent track, the kick is really heavy, and the double layered bassline contained a synth that was really heavy on the low end, but sounded funky when I cut it off, so I sidechained it to the kick, and set the threshold fairly high, so the kick comes through and the effect is barely noticeable, but nothing drowns anything out. As I said earlier, I personally dont see any reason to delegate any element as the lowest sound, just kinda comes together and everything takes its place if you let it. |
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| derail |
As others have said, it varies from artist to artist, song to song. Sometimes the kick will be the lowest element. Sometimes a sub bass will occupy that space, and the kick will be highpassed significantly to make room.
Words like "always", "never" etc. will remove a lot of options. |
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| skyhunter |
| woah, all the way up in the 75hz range? :O Mine usually peak at 45 hz, and when I have a sub it chills down there too. Sidechaining is freaking BOSS in that respect. |
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| Anakratis |
| quote: | Originally posted by skyhunter
woah, all the way up in the 75hz range? :O Mine usually peak at 45 hz, and when I have a sub it chills down there too. Sidechaining is freaking BOSS in that respect. |
Couldn't have said it better myself. Try finding a song in which you think has the best kick frequency level and EQ all the other sounds out. This way, you can see on which frequency the kick is playing. |
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| JeeDSounds |
Nice topic!
I know that may sounds nub but i'm not REALLY good with Frequency and all that :P
I've never really played with frequency on my kicks cuz i've never succeed to have a nice kick sounds so..
I'm making some test with the Parametric EQ for my kick on my new remix .. but i got some questions.
On this picture below you can see the Hz is around 46~55 like you guys said. But do the percent (%) need to be around 46~55 too ? Because a saw alot of kicks starting at 0 .. i'm curious how you guys work with kicks.. :conf:
http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=50954773eq.png |
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| skyhunter |
Extreme EQing makes me cry.... wow that looks like a total mess what does it sound like? D:
Are you layering? you mean bandwidth right? anyways bandwidth doesn't matter, read this: http://howtomakeelectronicmusic.com/introduction-to-eq
No but seriously man, that kick looks kinda odd, post a sound example |
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| JeeDSounds |
| oh i didn't save it i was making some test with the Parametric EQ but i can make it tomorrow morning and post it here (The kick only ?) if you want. ;) But it didn't sounds really good :stongue: |
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