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30 NATO troops die in Afghanistan (pg. 4)
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
No, not grateful for the war, but for the people willing to die to defend the country you live in
If it's a ty country, get the out and go somewhere else. |
To be fair, they're not really defending our country. While the comment that started all of this was insensitive, it's not his obligation or duty to feel remorse for soldiers fighting a war anymore than one might feel remorse for a firefighter who dies in a fire or a policeman who is killed while on duty. This is a risk of their job, and while it is unfortunate, I don't necessarily see a connection between being a citizen of a country, and an obligation to have any patriotic sentiments for that country or its military at all. I'm a US citizen now, and since I've lived here I've seen more hatred and violence in the name of "patriotism" than I care to remember.
The thousands of civilians who have been killed in these unnecessary wars are the real tragedy. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
The thousands of civilians who have been killed in these unnecessary wars are the real tragedy. |
All death is tragic and civilian death, even more-so, but that's still no excuse to be indifferent to the sacrifice of the soldiers who have served our country - even if I don't particularly agree with the wars and how they've been fought. It's their choice to be petulant about it and I don't begrudge them, their choice, but I can still find fault with it. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
The thousands of civilians who have been killed in these unnecessary wars are the real tragedy. |
Funny i don't see a thread about the thousands of Afghans who die -- that's part of war -- but when soldiers die, i should be ing gutted.
You hit the nail on the head. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
All death is tragic and civilian death, even more-so, but that's still no excuse to be indifferent to the sacrifice of the soldiers who have served our country - even if I don't particularly agree with the wars and how they've been fought. It's their choice to be petulant about it and I don't begrudge them, their choice, but I can still find fault with it. |
My question is what exactly is the purpose of their service in this instance? Would you be so critical of someone expressing indifference towards the death of mercenaries?
(Not saying US soldiers are mercenaries per se, but I imagine there is a decent percentage of soldiers who are only fighting because they have to. They're not doing it to serve and protect our country, they're doing it because they're being paid to do it, and because they didn't have any other option after high school. Now that I really think about it, what exactly separates these soldiers from mercenaries, apart from the fact that they're fighting in their own country's military?)
In addition to that, we don't have any idea about the men who were killed. They could have been terrible people. I mean, they're trained to kill people for one, and there have been countless documentations of atrocities committed by servicemen towards civilians, and I'm sure there are even more that go unreported. Essentially what I'm saying is that just because somebody is wearing a uniform does not necessarily make them an honorable person, a good person, or a person whose death warrants any more reverence than yours or mine would. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
Funny i don't see a thread about the thousands of Afghans who die -- that's part of war -- but when soldiers die, i should be ing gutted.
You hit the nail on the head. |
Here: I'll get you started, since apparently your concern was only valid once you started expressing contempt with an utter lack of taste regarding military death.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Leave the false choice predicating your -witted assumptions out of it. Your contempt of servicemen isn't negated in its audacity because people didn't start a thread, today, concerning every civilian displaced, maimed, and/or murdered in a war and there has been plenty of outrage expressed, on their behalf, by people posting in this thread. What I'll guarantee is that you won't find me in your thread with a boo-hoo Conan face, mocking them. |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
Funny i don't see a thread about the thousands of Afghans who die -- that's part of war -- but when soldiers die, i should be ing gutted.
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No one said you should be gutted, just don't mock their deaths, as you would also not mock the innocent civilians who have suffered in that horrible war. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
I am offended by your comment that i have to be grateful for something just because i became a citizen of this ty country. |
| quote: | | I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
Ah, thanks for letting me off the hook. The mercy you show shall not be forgotten. |
Some would take that as a thread against the U S and A...
You'd better hope homeland security doesn't read this board...
Lol |
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| Tasty Onions |
| quote: | | Originally posted by VDub |
The Few Good Men speech is eloquent and makes for a great scene but it's ultimately crap in terms of content.
The idea that the military's methods and objectives should go unquestioned by civilians belongs in countries lorded over by dictator-generals, not ones run by democratically elected representatives. I'd say it's even anti-American. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Here: I'll get you started, since apparently your concern was only valid once you started expressing contempt with an utter lack of taste regarding military death.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Leave the false choice predicating your -witted assumptions out of it. Your contempt of servicemen isn't negated in its audacity because people didn't start a thread, today, concerning every civilian displaced, maimed, and/or murdered in a war and there has been plenty of outrage expressed, on their behalf, by people posting in this thread. What I'll guarantee is that you won't find me in your thread with a boo-hoo Conan face, mocking them. |
I thought you where going to off.. or did i misread your last post? Go cry somewhere else. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tasty Onions
The Few Good Men speech is eloquent and makes for a great scene but it's ultimately crap in terms of content.
The idea that the military's methods and objectives should go unquestioned by civilians belongs in countries lorded over by dictator-generals, not ones run by democratically elected representatives. I'd say it's even anti-American. |
Yes you're right.
Maybe if you didn't look at it in the context of the film??
I don't know. I just like that speech. I know the whole thing by memory.. |
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