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Is it ok to just squash the hell out of your bassline and just make everything else.. (pg. 4)
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| KilldaDJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
Either one will work, but compression will bring up that delicious background noise, room reverb etc. i like hearing the pumping in between breaths etc. |
noize gate it first hmmmmz |
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| evo8 |
Yes its tricky - trying to make a mid-bass sound louder with taking up too much headroom?
Try some layering - like a subbier bass underneath the mid, will allow you to highpass the midbass more and push it up more but be careful... you dont want to highpass it too much or it goes back in the mix
Also slight slight touches of room reverb (send) and slight delays can make it sound "perceptually" bigger, bit of chorus can make it more up front also
FATSO in soft clip mode is good for this, its kinda like cheating :D, but you have to be careful using it on bass sounds as it can distort very easily
oh and as someone else said - distortion can help too.
Compression? kinda gonna off it on basses, but as they say ymmv....... |
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| mysticalninja |
So I just watched "Alan Parsons' the art and science of sound recording" And when he said he always limits/compresses for vocals and bass during recording,and "It is a pretty much universal view that vocals for rock or pop always have a need for compression and limiting" it made me think of this thread. Also this part which i'll transcribe sounded familiar:
"Over the years, dynamics control of the vocals has a had a huge effect on how records sound. Without liimiting and compression you would be def in one minute, and straining to hear the words the next. Before electronic limiting and compression came into being engineers were forced to place the vocalist incredibly loud in the mix to make sure no words got buried."
This is the engineer for Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon'. It's up to you guys whether you want to believe him, or "Looney4Clooney" |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you aren't listening
for the 5th time
I have not once said vocals are not compressed. OK. take that in.
What i have said is that it is the element that is compressed the least 90% of the time.
Now what you are saying, which is false, along with your little SSL anachronism gaff which you also attributed to a "professional" leaving much of what you say and attribute to actual sources up for questions is that vocals are squashed. They aren't. he only time they were might be for effect post 2000. So pink floyd is rather irrelevant as a source.
now read this again
again
get a coffee
read i t again
now shut up. |
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| mysticalninja |
| I am simply quoting grammy nominated engineers who know much more than you and I. Sorry if that makes you upset. Have a good day. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
no,
what you are doing is using a quote to counter an argument i did not make and erroneously support a statement you did make.
that is what you did. He said compression is used on vocals. What you are saying is that vocals are super compressed. Do i need to pain a picture for you ?
What studios have you been in other than your school and which engineers where at the helm. Just a little curious about your practical experience. |
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| mysticalninja |
| He didn't just say he compresses vocals, he said Bass and Vocal are one of the few things he always compresses during recording. You said vocal and bass is rarely compressed. I am not arguing with you. You think you know more than the engineers for Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. That's fine with me. |
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| mysticalninja |
| I recommend people check out the DVD. Vocals are nearly always compressed. There are many other instruments that need to be kept natural over vocals. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
dude seriously
what the is wrong with you
saying vocals are the element that are least compressed in a mix is not the same as saying you don't compress vocals. Why is this so ing hard to grasp.
A is less than B . Now for some reason , you make this statement equivalent to A = 0.Stop being an idiot. It is ing annoying.
A < B not equal to A = 0 . You are implying that my statement A < B , is actually A = 0
do you get it ?
Can you acknowledge my statement how i actually made it ? PLease just re write my statement so I know you are actually reading my post. |
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| mysticalninja |
What I'm saying is during tracking stage Vocals and Bass are always need a limiter/compressor for a good recording. Most other instruments do not. Get it now? Again, don't get mad at me, get mad at pink floyd!
And really, none of this applies to trance/EDM music anyway, so let's just drop it. |
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| Kysora |
l4c was saying post-processing on vocals in terms of compression is conservative compared to other instruments. your quote did nothing to address the amount of compression used on vocals. it just says vocals are almost always compressed, which l4c isn't disagreeing with.
you're saying vocals are heavily compressed, and using a quote that doesn't say that to "prove" it. for 's sake, I know very little about recording or compression, but it doesn't take a professional to see you're completely failing at arguing about this in a coherent manner |
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