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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
What I'm saying is during tracking stage Vocals and Bass are always need a limiter/compressor for a good recording. Most other instruments do not. Get it now? Again, don't get mad at me, get mad at pink floyd!
And really, none of this applies to trance/EDM music anyway, so let's just drop it. |
for the love of god
you started out with the statement, "vocals are the most compressed element in a mix, i beleive" page 2 or 1
I replied
nope.Compressed, sure, more than anything else, nope. You ing dance about trying to save face with quotes that have nothing to do with my statement or yours for that matter. You mention ration settings while not actually giving the GR values. You post anachronisms such as Led Zepplin sound came from the SSL. Not only does this have 0 to do with my statement but you using false data to try and support your false claims. I mean it is embarrassing dude.
I posted a link showing common settings further showing your wrong. Please don't make me go thru all the ing books and give you page numbers. You will not find 1 engineer that would not say that in general, and i say general because there are tracks that have insane vocal compression. This is aesthetic and not the norm) that will start sucking about 15 db as a place to start from the vocals. it is without a doubt the element the least compressed. Less than drums, less than guitar less bass.
Stop this insanity.
you are wrong. Accept it. Your statement was false. I called you on it. Now get over the fact that you were wrong on an isssue. Seriously. Why is it so ing hard to just say, oh my bad. |
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| mysticalninja |
Since when did this become strictly about "Post Processing"? Modern vocals have much compression, there are many many elements that get compressed less than vocals. There is no right or wrong to engineering. There are opinions. I disagree. Get over it.
Again, I'm not arguing. I simply quoted Alan Parson whom said the exact same thing I did in regards to Led Zeppelin that "Looney4Clooney" so strongly disagree's with. It seems to have made him upset. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
no,
you said vocals are the most compressed.
He said we compress vocals.
can you not see the ing logical error ?
Now i did say vocals are compressed. The only person your sources are contradicting is you and your statements.
And you are right. It is an opinion. One that you and only you share. You will not find 1 engineer that would agree with your statement that vocals are the most compressed element in non dance mixes.
not one. |
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| mysticalninja |
I said one of the most compressed. And they are.
I never said THE most compressed? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
they aren't
lets look at a non dance mix
drums
guitars
bass
vocals
vocals have the least amount of gr of all those elements.
So you aren't right. You aren't approaching being right. They aren't in the top 2. They aren';t in the top 3. Not in the top 4. They are the least compressed. en hell. |
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| mysticalninja |
| Most of those are pretty steady compared to a voice which goes from intimate to yelling and don't need much compression on either tracking nor mixdown on a pop/rock record compared to the vox. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
lol
they really aren't for one.
And people know what a voice sounds like. Overcompressing it is easy for anyone to tell. An instrument on the other hand is not. That is why you don't squash vocals. Compression , especially squashed vocals introduce strain on the listener. People listen to vocals. The reason you compress the other elements is to make room for the vocals which you try to make as dynamic as you can. Loud ? sure but not at the cost of the performance.
kinda sucks that your ty 9 month program has tought you pretty much zero. |
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| mysticalninja |
| Yes people know what a voice sounds like. When's the last time you heard a live singer sound the same as a recorded pop vocal? It doesn't matter if you turn it up or down. It doesn't sound the same. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
they use compression on live vocals . What the is your point. You miss the ing point once again. Overcompression causes ear strain. People pay attention to vocals the most. That is why you don't overcompress vocals.
Applying B to A = C
C makes people not want to listen to your track
Don't apply B to A .
A = vocals
B = overcompression
C = the annoying artifacts created by overcompression.
I mean this even applies to mastering. People that use MB in the mastering process might sqash the lows, sqash the highs but the mid to mid highs where the vocals sit, guess what, never squashed.
NOw please shut up. shut your ing face. seriously dude. How is this now sinking in.
Anyhow, you do not require the threshold of intelligence I am willing to have a debate with. I can't keep this up. You are a lost case. Good bye. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I mean this even applies to mastering. People that use MB in the mastering process might sqash the lows, sqash the highs but the mid to mid highs where the vocals sit, guess what, never squashed.
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False, In The Dark Side of the Moon everything was bus compressed together EXCEPT the drums. most of the beatles tracks are 2bus'd through Fairchild limiters and you can hear the relationship it creates between the vocals. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
lol ok I have to indulge ,
in reference to dark side of the moon
I believe his own quote was
I'm not a big fan of the drums on that one. I always felt like they're kinda p*ssy. And i might be wrong but they are run thru A TG12413.
Look you still are not making the link you think you are trying to make. You still haven't presented anything that supports your claim that vocals are one of the most compressed.
presenting isolated anecdotes does not mean anything. Not only do they not represent how things are normally done but they don't even support your argument. IN both cases, you mention how there is only a master bus. Guess what , that is how they did it back then because they didn't have SSL consoles despite the fact you think they did.
HOw is that relevant today ? Talk about digging a hole. There is nothing you can post or find that will contradict what i've said. WHat you don't seem to understand is that i've been involved with music and he industry for about 28 years. Unlike you who can' play an instrument , has never been recorded, i've been a session musician, i've recorded orchestras, i've conduced orchestras, i've composed for orchestras, bigbands , pop groups. I've sat in on probably 50 sessions in real studios. I listen to music, i've been to more concerts than I can count. My lexicon does not confine itself to EDM. I have more useless knowledge regarding every ing aspect of music you are wasting your time. So just stop. You just look desperate. Your little 9 month program is a farce and he confidence you seem o exude is funny. You attended a hack program. You know nothing so stop bulling. |
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| mysticalninja |
| Krish Sharma said Mick Jagger would bounce up to -10 and even spike -20 db GR during TRACKING during his loudest parts. More compression was done during mixing stage. |
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