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Resident Advisor 2011 DJ poll results (pg. 5)
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| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
the Mark Anthony. |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Missing the point. RA don't review any trance, either. They're not going to attract trance fans to their userbase in the first place if they utterly ignore the genre. They even admitted their editorial bias in their Top 100 albums of the decade list.
I personally don't see the point in complaining, though. It would be nice if RA used their status to fairly promote good music across the board, but they wouldn't have their status in the first place if they'd adopted that policy. RA has an editorial policy specifically geared to attract a certain type of listener: the Mark Anthony. |
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I just think it's funny. Resident Advisor is THE go to for house/techno/minimal/what have you, so the READER'S POLL chart directly reflects that. They do push a fair amount of varied music in their podcast, they just choose to not go after trance. It's not their thing and they don't find it as "intelligent" as other stuff, no harm no foul. You're telling me there's not a single site like RA geared to toward trance? Something for those addicted to trance maybe? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
I just think it's funny. Resident Advisor is THE go to for house/techno/minimal/what have you, so the READER'S POLL chart directly reflects that. They do push a fair amount of varied music in their podcast, they just choose to not go after trance. It's not their thing and they don't find it as "intelligent" as other stuff, no harm no foul. You're telling me there's not a single site like RA geared to toward trance? Something for those addicted to trance maybe? |
This place is a forum, it's not an online magazine. There's no reviews, no interviews, no podcasts, no features, no club listings. I don't think anyone wants a separate site just for trance. RA focuses on trendy house/tech but they also review a lot of dubstep, drum 'n bass, ambient, IDM, etc. It would be nice if they just covered some of the good trance out there, the kind of stuff that people on there would enjoy if they knew it existed. It would raise the profile of that material a lot and bring people into the scene who aren't utter idiots. A trance-only site would be totally insular, and that's exactly what trance doesn't need. It could do with being reconnected with the credible clubbing world, so the music and the promotion and the DJs are judged on better standards.
Of course, this isn't going to happen. RA won't make any money from covering underground trance, and it's not in their interests to take money to talk about the megalabels like Armada or Anjunabeats. From an editorial point of view, they either go like Mixmag and hate on trance while simultaneously covering the material they know is , or they just pretend it doesn't exist. It's understandable, given how 95% of trance is ing terrible.
In an ideal world, RA would use their position to promote good music, regardless of genre. In reality, doing so is a waste of energy for them. |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
^maybe so
I would've liked to see '10 Years of Secret Sundaze' included. I really got into that mix :p |
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| enydo |
| Nice to see Ben UFO second. |
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| Floorfiller |
| pretty cool for jamie to get #1. i had a good time when i saw him. couple of people i personally would've put higher, but hey...screw it. i just want to have a good time when i go out these days. i try not to worry about all the bs and just have a good time whom ever is behind the decks. |
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| RJT |
| Speaking from my own tastes alone, if someone I knew who enjoyed my DJ sets from the past 3-4 years was looking for an avenue into a deeper enjoyment of electronic music, I could think of a lot worse things to do to get them started than show them this list, without the numbers. |
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| chode_breath |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
This place is a forum, it's not an online magazine. There's no reviews, no interviews, no podcasts, no features, no club listings. I don't think anyone wants a separate site just for trance. RA focuses on trendy house/tech but they also review a lot of dubstep, drum 'n bass, ambient, IDM, etc. It would be nice if they just covered some of the good trance out there, the kind of stuff that people on there would enjoy if they knew it existed. It would raise the profile of that material a lot and bring people into the scene who aren't utter idiots. A trance-only site would be totally insular, and that's exactly what trance doesn't need. It could do with being reconnected with the credible clubbing world, so the music and the promotion and the DJs are judged on better standards.
Of course, this isn't going to happen. RA won't make any money from covering underground trance, and it's not in their interests to take money to talk about the megalabels like Armada or Anjunabeats. From an editorial point of view, they either go like Mixmag and hate on trance while simultaneously covering the material they know is , or they just pretend it doesn't exist. It's understandable, given how 95% of trance is ing terrible.
In an ideal world, RA would use their position to promote good music, regardless of genre. In reality, doing so is a waste of energy for them. |
Haha you're a in chump mate. Ra don't cover things based exclusively on money, I know that for a fact. You think that every single one of the thousands of reviews that went on there this year paid to be there? Keep dreaming. The site has chosen their niche and it doesn't include trance. That's why they don't cover it. Do you think pitchfork should start covering trance too? Or that fact mag should start covering indie rock? No publication has any responsibility to be "fair" and give consideration to all genres. As you said, its a waste of energy and a potential risk to their credibility...so why the would they? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by chode_breath
Haha you're a in chump mate. Ra don't cover things based exclusively on money, I know that for a fact. You think that every single one of the thousands of reviews that went on there this year paid to be there? Keep dreaming. The site has chosen their niche and it doesn't include trance. That's why they don't cover it. Do you think pitchfork should start covering trance too? Or that fact mag should start covering indie rock? No publication has any responsibility to be "fair" and give consideration to all genres. As you said, its a waste of energy and a potential risk to their credibility...so why the would they? |
I didn't say they exclusively covered things for money. However, it is a known fact that RA pulled and then rewrote a review of a Bedrock Records compilation to give it a more favourable score because Bedrock were paying the site advertising money and objected to the negative review. Members of the editorial staff quit in protest and then went public. So if you think that RA's editorial policy is 100% honest and unaffected by revenue then you're the "ing chump", mate.
I know from personal experience that artists and labels provide public content such as interviews, podcasts and competition prizes on the condition of good publicity. RA provide all of those things. If an artist could provide an interview that gets RA hundreds of thousands of hits, do you think they're going to bash that artist's latest release, even if it is utter ? Doesn't happen. Promo companies do the same with exclusive access releases and free tickets to events. Slate what they send you and they stop very quickly, unless they're a tiny company who are grateful for any exposure.
Again, I'm not saying it's as simple as RA only cover things because they directly get paid or get content or freebies or whatever. That's too simplistic. I totally agree with you that RA have chosen their niche, but they haven't chosen their niche purely because they believe it's the most interesting area of music. They've chosen and refined that niche because it can make the site popular and therefore get advertising sponsors and exclusive content that will earn the site money and make it successful. Covering trance is unproductive because:
1. The underground music isn't popular enough to notably increase site traffic.
2. The underground labels aren't rich enough to provide advertising revenue or other incentives.
3. The popular trance sucks, and so they would slate it, lose the support of the labels and then cease to gain any incentives from doing so. They would have to take cash for comment to have any incentive to cover it.
4. Trance has a negative stigma attached, and as you said it would harm the site's precious credibility to cover something unpopular and uncool, however good it may be.
I do find it particularly grating, though, when they cover bull like araabMUZIK's album Electronic Dream, which is a load of trance cheddar like Oceanlab and Kaskade timestretched down and turned into hip-hop, and then they describe it as "Powerful". That album is brutally corny, and yet it seems to be doing the critical rounds (saw it covered in The Wire as well). It pisses me off when obviously records get mass coverage because they're trendy or because a PR company is pushing them, but other music won't get covered just because there's a stigma attached. It's the reality of the situation, but it's still annoying as hell. |
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| enydo |
| This guy is PISSED. |
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| chode_breath |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I didn't say they exclusively covered things for money. However, it is a known fact that RA pulled and then rewrote a review of a Bedrock Records compilation to give it a more favourable score because Bedrock were paying the site advertising money and objected to the negative review. Members of the editorial staff quit in protest and then went public. So if you think that RA's editorial policy is 100% honest and unaffected by revenue then you're the "ing chump", mate. |
And you still think that's going on, numpty? You don't think that the site might have revised their policy after that nasty press? My mate works in their office and its pretty clear things don't work that way any more.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I know from personal experience that artists and labels provide public content such as interviews, podcasts and competition prizes on the condition of good publicity. RA provide all of those things. If an artist could provide an interview that gets RA hundreds of thousands of hits, do you think they're going to bash that artist's latest release, even if it is utter ? Doesn't happen. Promo companies do the same with exclusive access releases and free tickets to events. Slate what they send you and they stop very quickly, unless they're a tiny company who are grateful for any exposure.
Again, I'm not saying it's as simple as RA only cover things because they directly get paid or get content or freebies or whatever. That's too simplistic. I totally agree with you that RA have chosen their niche, but they haven't chosen their niche purely because they believe it's the most interesting area of music. They've chosen and refined that niche because it can make the site popular and therefore get advertising sponsors and exclusive content that will earn the site money and make it successful. Covering trance is unproductive because:
1. The underground music isn't popular enough to notably increase site traffic.
2. The underground labels aren't rich enough to provide advertising revenue or other incentives.
3. The popular trance sucks, and so they would slate it, lose the support of the labels and then cease to gain any incentives from doing so. They would have to take cash for comment to have any incentive to cover it.
4. Trance has a negative stigma attached, and as you said it would harm the site's precious credibility to cover something unpopular and uncool, however good it may be.
I do find it particularly grating, though, when they cover bull like araabMUZIK's album Electronic Dream, which is a load of trance cheddar like Oceanlab and Kaskade timestretched down and turned into hip-hop, and then they describe it as "Powerful". That album is brutally corny, and yet it seems to be doing the critical rounds (saw it covered in The Wire as well). It pisses me off when obviously records get mass coverage because they're trendy or because a PR company is pushing them, but other music won't get covered just because there's a stigma attached. It's the reality of the situation, but it's still annoying as hell. |
I agree with you on that ty araabmuzik release but that was only one reviewer. Its funny reading Ra where all the users are constantly complaining about bias and favouratism on the site, all the while ignoring that there are like 30 different reviewers on there with different opinions.
As for your number points...they are useless for two reasons. 1 and 2 because Ra always covers "underground music" (like theres even a way to define that!) i.e . tiny labels, hand-stamped releases, white labels, etc. Number 3...have you not noticed all the trance that Ra covers in their news section? Its been appearing there for ages. And the last one, have you considered that the stigma exists because people DON'T LIKE TRANCE? Okay, so you and I think trance is acceptable and cool along with techno, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does. Even if you play them something credible they'll say it's too fast, too bright, too cheesy. Your whole argument is predicated on you not understanding other people's point of view. You think they're being pretentious when really they just know what they like. If that bothers you so much, go and start your own site that covers country and western, rap, hardcore and heavy metal alongside techno, trance, d&b, dubstep and everything else. I'm sure it will be a huge success. |
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