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DJ Sneak vs. Steve Angello (pg. 3)
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
When we get older, it will be up to them to decide whether they want to toss the real house music into a corner and piss all over it. |
No, because
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
There will always be a market for people who love the music we care about. |
They are different scenes entirely. The only difference is that the music is electronic in nature and has a similar tempo range. |
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| FunKenLouis |
Now the question is .... What is house music ?
I'd love to have everyones opinion on this, very curious to see the result
Is Daft Punk house music ? ...
SHM make Progressive-Pop-House Music .... which had been in my books known as Swedish House for the last 6 years
Been playing their records for years, way before they were SHM. I was one of the djs that introduced their sound to the afterhour scene, and I know a lot of djs who hated me / still do for bringing that sound in. I remember when "house" was all about funky stuff "à la sneak" or pure tribal house "à la Chus & Ceballos", but things have changed.
And whats the big deal if they make money ? I think they open the doors for other djs to make more money and being recognized on a larger scale because of the way to distribute / popularize their sound. If they make 25 million a year and dj over 200 gigs / year, they deserve the money if the promoter is happy and willing to pay. Sometimes in some markets it gets ridiculous, but thats another debate
They bring electronic music to your tvs and radios, Sneak doesnt. I'm pretty sure Sneak makes much more money than 10 years ago. But his "house" hasnt evolved much. Same bassline, same kicks, same groove. Guys like Tiesto / Armin / SHM / Deadmau5 are the reason why other djs get better rates, simple
I don't defend the fact that they have "house" in their name, I understand where Sneak is coming from. But music is changing, so is house and he needs to accept it. Does Liebing hate on "techno" djs from 2012 because it's not fast enough or hard enough. In my head techno isnt close to what it used to be 9 years ago when I started in this scene, but nobody is hating, its called evolution.
Btw, is this song house or not ? Good question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kivQQoFMPQw |
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| Dj Nacht |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
They are different scenes entirely. The only difference is that the music is electronic in nature and has a similar tempo range. |
Well then, we can agree that one of them should stop masquerading as house music.
I believe the classic house music scene is on the decline, and the listeners are going to dwindle away. This is all just speculation, and I could be totally wrong, but the fact remains, whenever I hear younger people talking about electronic music, I die a bit inside. |
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| Dj Nacht |
Louis, that song is definitely house imo.
Techno naturally evolved, there are no doubts about that, but it didn't lose its essence. If you get a description of techno from an original player in Detroit, it will accurately describe today's techno.
Go to Chicago and ask for a definition of house, then try and attach it to the status quo of today, I can guarantee you they wont fit. |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
Well then, we can agree that one of them should stop masquerading as house music.
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No, I think that no one has a copyright on the term house music, and that both can coexist without having to infringe on the other. |
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| FunKenLouis |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
No, I think that no one has a copyright on the term house music, and that both can coexist without having to infringe on the other. |
Thank you
WIKIPEDIA
House music is a genre of electronic dance music that originated in the American city of Chicago, Illinois in the early 1980s. It was initially popularized in mid-1980s discothèques catering to African-Americans[1][2] and Latino Americans[1][2] in Chicago circa 1984, then in other locations such as New York City, New Jersey, Toronto, Montreal, London, Detroit, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Miami. It then reached and began to influence popular music in Europe, with pop chart hits such as "House Nation" by House Master Boyz and the Rude Boy Of House (1987) and "Doctorin' The House" by Coldcut (1988). Since the early to mid-1990s, house music has been infused in mainstream pop and dance music worldwide.
Early house music was generally dance-based music characterized by repetitive 4/4 beats and rhythms centered around drum machines,[3] off-beat hi-hat cymbals and synthesized basslines. While house displayed several characteristics similar to disco music, it was more electronic and minimalistic,[4] and the structured music's focus around a repetitive rhythm was more important than the song itself. House music today, while keeping several of these core elements, notably the prominent kick drum on every beat, varies a lot in style and influence, ranging from the soulful and atmospheric deep house, to the more minimalistic microhouse. House music has also fused with several other genres creating fusion subgenres, such as Euro house and tech house.[4]
House music, after enjoying significant underground and club-based success from the early 1980s onwards, emerged into the UK mainstream pop market in the mid to late 80s. Popularity quickly followed in Europe, from the late 80s to early 90s, and it became a global phenomenon from the mid 90s onwards.[3] It proved to be a commercially successful genre and a more mainstream pop-based variation grew increasingly popular. Artists and groups such as Madonna,[3][4] Janet Jackson,[5] Björk, and C+C Music Factory[3][4] incorporated the genre into their work. After enjoying significant success in the early to mid-90s, house music grew even larger during the second wave of Progressive House (1999–2001). The genre still remains popular and fused into other subgenres which are popular, as the DJ mag poll has been dominated by House DJs since the beginning of the polls. In Europe, the genre remains highly popular into the 2000s, with groups and artists such as Daft Punk[3] and Justice performing in the genre, and obtaining commercial success and critical acclaim.[3] In the 2000s, a house subgenre known as electro house achieved popularity. Today, house music remains popular in both clubs and in the mainstream pop scene. As at 2012 House has continued to be a popular style of music, evident by DJ David Guetta claiming the #1 Poll position of the DJ Mag 100 popularity poll. David Guetta often plays various styles of House such as Electro House, Melodic House, and Pop House[6] |
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| Passskal |
| Thanks Louis great input into this conversation. |
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| Dj Nacht |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
No, I think that no one has a copyright on the term house music, and that both can coexist without having to infringe on the other. |
Ok, I will agree with that. Nothing left for me to add, can't argue with what you said. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
If you get a description of techno from an original player in Detroit, it will accurately describe today's techno. |
Naaaah.
A lot of the oldschool Detroit cats really aren't down with what's being called Techno these days.
But yeah, this argument is as old as the hills - Miles Davis hated Free Jazz when it hit the scene and called out Ornette Coleman, saying he "was all screwed up inside".
Musicians and their egos... |
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| Dj Nacht |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Naaaah.
A lot of the oldschool Detroit cats really aren't down with what's being called Techno these days.
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What do they say exactly? I have a feeling they feel the same way as me, but that doesn't change the fact that Techno has stayed true to its percussive roots. I prefer the old sound but when I hear new stuff, I can't deny that it still smells like Techno. |
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| Adam420 |
| there are many, many different kinds of new techno. |
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