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Is this a case of obvious song stealing/sampling? (Skrillex the victim) (pg. 2)
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
the "copied" complextro e is Gartners effort though......
BTW this music is where is notice i'm the one getting old. I really can't gell anymore with this .... got stuck/left behind about 4 years ago. and most people are jumping on this bandwagon. |
Lol Raphie I'm with you on this - it is not my style but those guys know what they are doing and doing that very well.
And you are right guys about "to close to be accident" lol but I still like second one as has some melodic sub-line which is more along my liking ;)
Cheers,
Darek |
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| Looney4Clooney |
some people lke the aggressive nature. I can't stand music that has no balls. People that listen to EDM tend to fall into 2 groups, those that found the old stuff great while others thought it sounded too soft and adult contemporary and then there are those that say listened to rock, metal and noticed around 99-2000 that hey dance music doesn't suck anymore. i am part of the second group. I was always aware of what was done as I listened to everything and I just hated EDM , except italdisco and similar stuff but it wasn't a change in what i liked. The music changed and it sounded like something more than a stupid drum machine and bleeps.
But these two types don't seem to understand that there are 2 types with very different tastes. For example. i hate the sound of an unprocessed 909 , 808 .... To me, they sound so plastic small and lacking in character. The other side actually likes it. MSZ would fall into say the first group. But he doesnt seem to get that for so many people, his progressive sounds like the sort of you would hear in some cut scene on queer eye. |
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| TranceLover007 |
There always will be me/us and them lol and we can't change that - but I do appreciate good quality music no matter if is hard Techno-Electro-Dubstep or not (I always listen to this stuff as my junior love this new trend ;) )
I also love to listen Chopin, Mozart, Grover Washington Jr, Peter White, Keiko Matsui, AC/DC, and on......... :)
Cheers,
Darek |
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| Mel David |
This is the stuff I liked back in my ravey days, as well as Ultrasonic and DyeWitness and Prodigy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1qQFNSnt8Q
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Central-Nervous-System-1/release/185993
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRpkvC163Kw |
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| Nicolas Oliver |
Obviously very similar.
I don't like Skrillex's kind of dubstep. There's so much better dubstep out these days. |
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| Raphie |
I'm more on the soothing / liquid fluid side too. I hate harsch sounds with a passion. I'm allergic to bitscrushing.
But i can imagine that the generation that grew up with 4bit digital toys finds the old stuff like the James Last of EDM :D
Robert Babicz, for me, is as much on the wild side as it gets for me.
Everything related to OP type songs and alike, I find epileptic ear piercing eardamage tendencies..... I also don't like aggression in music. not verbal or instrumental. Happy, mystical, calm, romantic moods, that's more my liking
Just call me old and boring... I don't care :D |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
some people lke the aggressive nature. I can't stand music that has no balls. People that listen to EDM tend to fall into 2 groups, those that found the old stuff great while others thought it sounded too soft and adult contemporary and then there are those that say listened to rock, metal and noticed around 99-2000 that hey dance music doesn't suck anymore. i am part of the second group. I was always aware of what was done as I listened to everything and I just hated EDM , except italdisco and similar stuff but it wasn't a change in what i liked. The music changed and it sounded like something more than a stupid drum machine and bleeps.
But these two types don't seem to understand that there are 2 types with very different tastes. For example. i hate the sound of an unprocessed 909 , 808 .... To me, they sound so plastic small and lacking in character. The other side actually likes it. MSZ would fall into say the first group. But he doesnt seem to get that for so many people, his progressive sounds like the sort of you would hear in some cut scene on queer eye. |
See, that second group of music in my opinion is all gimmick and no content/substance. It was all about just make it phat. Yes, with a Ph. I can hear them in a studio right now saying make it phatter.
It was the decline of musical quality in EDM and all about just how much distortion you can throw on a lead and how can you just make it sound more aggressive. You can actually kind of chronologically map this with some of the bigger producers who have been through this era like Ferry Corsten. He goes from making quite stunning and subtle trance, through to big cheesey fluffy trance tracks (this is what i call the tipping point where where club culture began to die in europe) then started making electro crap which was all about how phat a bassline/lead/distortion FX/etc you could make it. The emphasis was no longer on the quality of the melodic content. It was devolution of quality.
Most people I know who got in to EDM around 2000+ doesn't quite get this. They think that harsh, dig your ears out with a rusty spoon sound is phat. To me, it's when all the rockers & metal'ers jumped ship because rock and metal went completely down the pan, dance music had become dumbed down enough for them to finally get it and the EMO's where stealing their thunder dress sense wise.
It's a little ironic to me that you mention music no linger sounding like a "drum machine and bleeps" - granted, very early house (80's to early 90's all sounded like drum machines (that was all you had ot make it)) but the crap that came after 2000 sounds like my mobile phone dying from a meth overdose. , James Zabiela, one of the "pioneers" of that nubreed music in the 00's made his name on what all joked about just being annoying bleeps. Sweeping generalisation but musical quality went down the pan and was replaced with noises. I mean , I was playing some old records a few nights ago (4 hours worth) and not one of the relied on just an FX sweep/rise for the drop. Try that today.
The current complextro (and even dubstep) is just an extension of that; how can music just get more aggressive, more impulsive for those with zero attention span.
There's a reason that so much music from the earlier period of house has stuck around and become classics of EDM, wheras the following 10 years of EDM? Maybe one or two tracks a year will be able to stand the test of time to still be remembered 10 years later.
I personally don't mind some of the aggressive stuff, but give me some ing content, and sadly so little is present. |
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| Seandroid |
Yes, this is incredibly obvious and I almost pointed it out to Lazy Rich. Sounds exactly like Devil's Den. So does this track:
I want to point it out to Rich (My first EP actually came out on Big Fish) but I don't want to piss him off lol. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| why would that annoy me. You are a mediocre producer, signed to a mediocre label. Seems fair. You have potential, but lack that self criticism that makes one do stuff that hasn't been done before. Until you focus on being different, having a sound that is recognizable you will be frustrated by how you aren't really getting anywhere. And you could. But you need someone to kinda push you in the right direction. Someone to help shape your weakpoints because you don't seem to be aware of them. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
why would that annoy me. You are a mediocre producer, signed to a mediocre label. Seems fair. You have potential, but lack that self criticism that makes one do stuff that hasn't been done before. Until you focus on being different, having a sound that is recognizable you will be frustrated by how you aren't really getting anywhere. And you could. But you need someone to kinda push you in the right direction. Someone to help shape your weakpoints because you don't seem to be aware of them. |
That's exactly what I focus on. That's my number 1 concern whenever I start a new track, for it to sound different. I'm not really sure how this is relevant to the topic though?
Edit: I meant Lazy Rich lol, the owner of Big Fish Recordings. That track isn't by me. |
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| Evolve140 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
See, that second group of music in my opinion is all gimmick and no content/substance. It was all about just make it phat. Yes, with a Ph. I can hear them in a studio right now saying make it phatter.
It was the decline of musical quality in EDM and all about just how much distortion you can throw on a lead and how can you just make it sound more aggressive. You can actually kind of chronologically map this with some of the bigger producers who have been through this era like Ferry Corsten. He goes from making quite stunning and subtle trance, through to big cheesey fluffy trance tracks (this is what i call the tipping point where where club culture began to die in europe) then started making electro crap which was all about how phat a bassline/lead/distortion FX/etc you could make it. The emphasis was no longer on the quality of the melodic content. It was devolution of quality.
Most people I know who got in to EDM around 2000+ doesn't quite get this. They think that harsh, dig your ears out with a rusty spoon sound is phat. To me, it's when all the rockers & metal'ers jumped ship because rock and metal went completely down the pan, dance music had become dumbed down enough for them to finally get it and the EMO's where stealing their thunder dress sense wise.
It's a little ironic to me that you mention music no linger sounding like a "drum machine and bleeps" - granted, very early house (80's to early 90's all sounded like drum machines (that was all you had ot make it)) but the crap that came after 2000 sounds like my mobile phone dying from a meth overdose. , James Zabiela, one of the "pioneers" of that nubreed music in the 00's made his name on what all joked about just being annoying bleeps. Sweeping generalisation but musical quality went down the pan and was replaced with noises. I mean , I was playing some old records a few nights ago (4 hours worth) and not one of the relied on just an FX sweep/rise for the drop. Try that today.
The current complextro (and even dubstep) is just an extension of that; how can music just get more aggressive, more impulsive for those with zero attention span.
There's a reason that so much music from the earlier period of house has stuck around and become classics of EDM, wheras the following 10 years of EDM? Maybe one or two tracks a year will be able to stand the test of time to still be remembered 10 years later.
I personally don't mind some of the aggressive stuff, but give me some ing content, and sadly so little is present. |
I like. Good stuff. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
See, that second group of music in my opinion is all gimmick and no content/substance. It was all about just make it phat. Yes, with a Ph. I can hear them in a studio right now saying make it phatter.
It was the decline of musical quality in EDM and all about just how much distortion you can throw on a lead and how can you just make it sound more aggressive. You can actually kind of chronologically map this with some of the bigger producers who have been through this era like Ferry Corsten. He goes from making quite stunning and subtle trance, through to big cheesey fluffy trance tracks (this is what i call the tipping point where where club culture began to die in europe) then started making electro crap which was all about how phat a bassline/lead/distortion FX/etc you could make it. The emphasis was no longer on the quality of the melodic content. It was devolution of quality.
Most people I know who got in to EDM around 2000+ doesn't quite get this. They think that harsh, dig your ears out with a rusty spoon sound is phat. To me, it's when all the rockers & metal'ers jumped ship because rock and metal went completely down the pan, dance music had become dumbed down enough for them to finally get it and the EMO's where stealing their thunder dress sense wise.
It's a little ironic to me that you mention music no linger sounding like a "drum machine and bleeps" - granted, very early house (80's to early 90's all sounded like drum machines (that was all you had ot make it)) but the crap that came after 2000 sounds like my mobile phone dying from a meth overdose. , James Zabiela, one of the "pioneers" of that nubreed music in the 00's made his name on what all joked about just being annoying bleeps. Sweeping generalisation but musical quality went down the pan and was replaced with noises. I mean , I was playing some old records a few nights ago (4 hours worth) and not one of the relied on just an FX sweep/rise for the drop. Try that today.
The current complextro (and even dubstep) is just an extension of that; how can music just get more aggressive, more impulsive for those with zero attention span.
There's a reason that so much music from the earlier period of house has stuck around and become classics of EDM, wheras the following 10 years of EDM? Maybe one or two tracks a year will be able to stand the test of time to still be remembered 10 years later.
I personally don't mind some of the aggressive stuff, but give me some ing content, and sadly so little is present. |
This all sounds like pure nostalgia.
I realized that if you don't want to end up like some of the old s on this forum, you have to start exposing yourself to new stuff. You can't just listen to one Dubstep song and say, "I DON'T GET IT, WHY ISN'T THIS LIKE GENRE X THAT I HAVE ADORED FOR YEARS!"
The other thing is that its easier to find great old music, than it is great new current music. Time filters out all of the crap, only the songs that are noteworthy are the ones that are most likely kept by people in their collections.
If you don't seek out any new music, then the chances of finding something good become less and less. |
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