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Is the story of Luka Magnotta big in the US? (pg. 4)
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| Jarvmeister |
I've watched loads of ed up vids in my life, and I regret doing it. Therefore I won't watch this one. Can someone describe what happens?
BTW, this story is big in the UK too, probably just as big as the US face chewer. |
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| kamil |
Punishment by death is too good for him. You kill him off and he doesn't do the time for his crime.
The other problem, which ive been told many times and i still cant believe how ed up it is, is that to execute someone (at least in USA) costs more than a life sentence.
I think public humiliation is the greatest form of punishment. |
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| OrangestO |
| I can't bring myself to watch the video. If you search on Youtube there's reaction and response videos for it that describes this crazy . That's scary enough for me. |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
The other problem, which ive been told many times and i still cant believe how ed up it is, is that to execute someone (at least in USA) costs more than a life sentence.
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Let's think about this one rationally:
the electricity sent coursing through someone's body, the poison injected into their veins, the bullets and guns used at a firing squad, these things don't cost more than the needs associated with life imprisonment. The cost is a function of the legal system--executing someone can be prohibitively expensive because of the appeal process.
That being the case, I think the cost argument one of the weakest ones leveled against capital punishment. Still, I find myself lately more and more against the death penalty (yes, even for guys like luka). |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by zyklon-jay
It's Saskatchatoon Ian.
Welp, this member won't watch the video.
I wonder if this kid could win against Chris Benoit. |
I meant the city, not the state or whatever... We stopped for a piss break & to eat our lunch at a park & were feasted on by mossies. They must've loved the foreign cuisine. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by r5a
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im not really sure i agree with you.
why does he deserve a life? and moreover why are we paying to keep him alive? what happens if god forbid he gets free? having that kind of person roaming around. |
I'm not so sure I would use the idea of us paying for him to live as an argument... it costs far more in most US states to put someone to death (total cost; court, incarceration, execution) than it does to house a "dangerous offender" (total cost; court and incarceration) in Canada for their natural lives. It's been a long time since I looked at this but when I did last run the numbers the total cost to execute someone in FLD was approximately equal to the cost to incarcerate a dangerous offender in Canada for just under 50 years. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Why would you want this for him? He's sick. Just put him down. I don't see why he should be made to suffer for decades just to appease peoples sense of justice, as though any good at all can be served by locking him up forever.
And aren't you and Mattsanity supposed to be forgiving him, anyway? When a serial killer eats an Asian student, you just turn the other chink. :o |
I suppose that I believe if one cannot be rehabilitated than they should be a) removed from the population at large, and b) punished for their crimes. I don't really buy that a narcisist (such as this person appears to be) is destined by illness to be a criminal, which is to say; narcisism does not prevent them from criminal responsibility. Note; in Canada there is no such thing as not guilty by mental illness; rather, we have only a partial defence of not criminally responsible by illness or mental defect, which results in the individual being institutionalized for treatment until such time as they can be considered healthy enough to be held criminally responsible and a criminal trial is then held.
I like the play on turn the other cheek; however, that really only applies to offences against oneself. As for forgiveness; that is for God to bestow... I'm not ashamed to admit that I am flawed and don't forgive as easily as I perhaps should. That said; forgiveness does not mean one should not suffer the consequences of their actions. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| he only killed one person. An asian. Lets not make more of it than it is. I mean Bernardo makes him look like a fairy. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I suppose that I believe if one cannot be rehabilitated than they should be a) removed from the population at large, and b) punished for their crimes. I don't really buy that a narcisist (such as this person appears to be) is destined by illness to be a criminal, which is to say; narcisism does not prevent them from criminal responsibility. Note; in Canada there is no such thing as not guilty by mental illness; rather, we have only a partial defence of not criminally responsible by illness or mental defect, which results in the individual being institutionalized for treatment until such time as they can be considered healthy enough to be held criminally responsible and a criminal trial is then held. |
Indeed, the insanity plea as a get-out-of-jail-free card is pure fiction; At least with imprisonment, you have a chance to petition for parole, but when you're locked up in a mental institution, it is entirely up to your doctors when you are "cured". They can't really cure this sort of thing at all, so it's essentially a life sentence. Unless you're locked up in Arkham Asylum, that place can't seem to hold anyone.
I'm obviously not an expert, but his narcissism is *probably* not chief among his mental ailments. If anything, it is probably the symptom of a much greater pathological disorder.
| quote: | | I like the play on turn the other cheek; however, that really only applies to offences against oneself. As for forgiveness; that is for God to bestow... I'm not ashamed to admit that I am flawed and don't forgive as easily as I perhaps should. That said; forgiveness does not mean one should not suffer the consequences of their actions. |
But the consequences of murder are not self-evident. The victim obviously has no recourse to dole out retribution, and the chances of his family doing something about it are probably quite irrelevant. The consequence we take for granted is merely the synthesis of a vastly judicial distillation; an inherently humanistic institution and process. It is up to *us* to decide what to do with him, because left in a vacuum of legal appeal, there is no (immediate) cosmic consequence for murder, no matter how heinous. In a utilitarian sense, what is the best possible outcome from such an event? What serves the greater interest of the public whose judicial arm facilitates order and punitive responsibility for every citizen, (ideally) equally?
I think he should be executed, or committed to a mental ward, indefinitely. This was not a crime of passion, but a calculated act bereft of any revenge or genuine malice, merely the manifestation of deeply-embedded psychopathic and psycho-sexual pathos for which rehabilitation short of lobotomy could never truly relieve. Yes, that is my professional opinion!
I just seriously question who at all would be served by his being locked in a general penitentiary. I understand the want to see him suffer for what he has done, but I don't truly subscribe to the notion that suffering is the responsibility of the legal system to inflict. If anything, its function should be to relieve the population of those adversarial elements to peace and order (however fascist this may be, it ought to be tempered with civic resolve), and in thankfully rare cases of exceptional depravity, such as this one, its sole relief should come in the euthanization of those deemed incapable of reintegration into - not society at whole - but the function of minimal curative acuity of which some individuals are obviously quite beyond.
I would like some clarification as to why your and Lira's immediate resolutions were to sentence him to what you deemed a fate worse than death. I thought you were supposed to be nice guys?! |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
he only killed one person. An asian. Lets not make more of it than it is. I mean Bernardo makes him look like a fairy. |
Personally I dont think this guy is as smart as people try to give him credit for. I think hes a big dumbass. Why out of anywhere in the world did he run to in paris and from paris to germany? why not paris to africa where nobody would know who the hell he is and nobody has jurisdiction to go into to find you?
This guy was a dumbass. He only killed one person but I'm sure if he didnt make it so blatantly obvious he committed murder, he would have striked again. |
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