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Is the story of Luka Magnotta big in the US? (pg. 6)
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| Looney4Clooney |
so for murderers ? Or for people that dead bodies? both ? what about rapists that try but fail to kill. What if they the person while they are alive. That is the problem you create, you have to make a very extensive list of things that are considered ed up. In the end it just isn't worth it. He will spend the next 25 years in a cell. 1 year alone is enough to drive you mad. 25 is overkill.
I'm in favour of examining him in every way possible no matter how invasive and conducting extremely unethical tests to forward science but i would be in favour of this for most people if i'm the one who gets to decide. |
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| Intellekshual |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
so for murderers ? Or for people that dead bodies? both ? what about rapists that try but fail to kill. What if they the person while they are alive. That is the problem you create, you have to make a very extensive list of things that are considered ed up. In the end it just isn't worth it. He will spend the next 25 years in a cell. 1 year alone is enough to drive you mad. 25 is overkill. |
I say first ed up offense. BAM! Let's spare ourselves the trouble and just kill everyone. EVERYONE.
(I'm not serious, I just wanted to use that gif.. ok maybe I'm a little serious) |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
and who decides who can't be reformed ? This guy killed one person. Sure , i bet this guy can't be reformed, but to change the constitution based on a hunch. thats kinda american. |
No, thats definitely Canadian. Youre in regulationland, dont ever forget that. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
So then you support execution? :gsmile: |
Nope... we have these really neat places called prisons (or penetentaries depending on which government runs them). In these; let's use the generic phrase, correctional facilities we can house people who have been convicted of offences under a number of statutes. The residents of these facilities (or "guests of Her Majesty" as they are sometimes called) are kept in segragation from the public at large through a variety of security methods including but not limited to walls, fences, razor wire, and guys name "Guy," "Jaques," "Patrice" or something similar with assult rifles. Inside these facilities there are further facilities to keep the worst of offenders not only out of the population at large but out of the general prison population; we call these dangerous offender units. These units within the correctional facility are 8 foot by 4 foot concrete rooms with no windows and a full metal door (excluding the food slot). In those rooms the dangerous offender are isolated from everyone for 23 hours of every day (during their 1 hour out they may interact with a guard or visitor). I would suggest that this is an adequate means of removing someone from the general populace without giving them the sweet relief of death. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| CEMENT BATH HOUSES, I SAY |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I would like some clarification as to why your and Lira's immediate resolutions were to sentence him to what you deemed a fate worse than death. I thought you were supposed to be nice guys?! |
For one thing, I'm still in full agreement with the Haz:
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
As I said earlier... I believe the criminal justice system should seek [b]to reform[b], remove those that cannot be reformed from the general populace, and punish. The fate worse than death part seems an appropriate punishment for someone who killed, sodomized, dismembered, consumed, someone and then mailed body parts to unsuspecting people. Plus those eybrows... did you see those things? |
"Reform" is the key word here, and I'd add the word "repair" in there somewhere.
Gut feelings notwithstanding, the state has no business killing its own citizens. And, on the plus side, as long as he's kept in a secure compartment, there's always the possibility (no matter how slim) that you can use his labour to give something back to society in the near/distant/remote future. No matter how unlikely an outcome this is, the state should always strive for the amelioration of the lives of its citizens, and the possibility that this man's labour can be used in the future - even if it happens in a very limited condition - should be entertained and preferred over a premature death. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
No, thats definitely Canadian. Youre in regulationland, dont ever forget that. |
making policy on hunches ? i'm not really proud of being canadian with the recent douche bag in power but you might want to see what americans do. They consider experts elitist therefore not a trusted source. So jesus ends up making policy. Or the hunch that this is what jesus would want. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Nope... we have these really neat places called prisons (or penetentaries depending on which government runs them). In these; let's use the generic phrase, correctional facilities we can house people who have been convicted of offences under a number of statutes. The residents of these facilities (or "guests of Her Majesty" as they are sometimes called) are kept in segragation from the public at large through a variety of security methods including but not limited to walls, fences, razor wire, and guys name "Guy," "Jaques," "Patrice" or something similar with assult rifles. Inside these facilities there are further facilities to keep the worst of offenders not only out of the population at large but out of the general prison population; we call these dangerous offender units. These units within the correctional facility are 8 foot by 4 foot concrete rooms with no windows and a full metal door (excluding the food slot). In those rooms the dangerous offender are isolated from everyone for 23 hours of every day (during their 1 hour out they may interact with a guard or visitor). I would suggest that this is an adequate means of removing someone from the general populace without giving them the sweet relief of death. |
what does this add to society. Surely every decision should be based on the value it brings. This won't prevent any more psychos. Cruelty for the sake of punishment is kinda ed up. Not the sort of place i want to have my name tied to. Leave that to the south. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
what does this add to society. Surely every decision should be based on the value it brings. This won't prevent any more psychos. Cruelty for the sake of punishment is kinda ed up. Not the sort of place i want to have my name tied to. Leave that to the south. |
An important part of the justice system is that it reduces the incentive for people to extract their own "justice." In order for that to happen justice needs to be seen to be done. Lengthy periods of incarceration certainly assist in that regard; perhaps more so than executions. Irrespective of which is more effective in displaying justice in action there are very real disincentives to capital punishment in terms of the risk for innocents to be executed, increased costs, morality (debatable), and presumably a number that just don't come to mind right now. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Not the sort of place i want to have my name tied to. |
You do have the freedom to associate yourself with another place or seek to change the place you are associated with. My guess is that you will do neither; however, I would encourage you to do either. |
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| Intellekshual |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
without giving them the sweet relief of death. |
I would imagine his death would bring sweet relief to the rest of the world, namely, the victim's family.
If Jun Lin was my relative/friend, I'd want this demented brutally tortured and killed. I still want that having never known Jun. But that won't happen so.. indefinite solitary confinement is almost as satisfying. I'm just glad he got caught. |
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