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| Znack |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Lira |
You obviously still don't understand the argument.
I never said gay marriage is allowed by the Bible, but simply that it does not explicitly mention that its not allowed. You apparently agree with me on that, but you seem to think that you're still contradicting me in something.
You're not |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
You obviously still don't understand the argument.
I never said gay marriage is allowed by the Bible, but simply that it does not explicitly mention that its not allowed. You apparently agree with me on that, but you seem to think that you still contradict me in something.
You're not |
You should just tell him that you agree with him, then. I've never had much of a debate with Lira but that's typically the only time I ever see him back down from a strongly held position.
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mattsanity.
May you come to the knowledge of the kind and compassionate God who loves us more than a mother breastfeeding her child. |
which god. There are thousands. The christian narrative was ripped from previous gods and rituals. It is a bad hollywood remake. Why him and not Zeus. There is as much evidence for both and less contracting information regarding Zeus. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
which god. There are thousands. The christian narrative was ripped from previous gods and rituals. It is a bad hollywood remake. Why him and not Zeus. There is as much evidence for both and less contracting information regarding Zeus. |
I renounce my faith in Uranus and am now firmly a Jupiter man. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
You obviously still don't understand the argument.
I never said gay marriage is allowed by the Bible, but simply that it does not explicitly mention that its not allowed. |
Yet, I'm trying to tell you that it implicitly mentions it's not allowed.
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
You apparently agree with me on that, but you seem to think that you're still contradicting me in something.
You're not |
I am, actually. I'm trying to tell you that what's implicit is just as important ad what isn't. It's the Bible, it's not like we can expect it to be a clearly written and unproblematic document :p |
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| zyklon-jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Uranus |
Obrigado.
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| EddieZilker |
| I actually thought I'd downloaded this, already, but I haven't so, gratzi! |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Yet, I'm trying to tell you that it implicitly mentions it's not allowed. |
And I am for the third time trying to tell you, I have never said otherwise. You're still not understanding what i am saying and you're still trying to contradict me, even when you don't disagree.
Funny enough, this is actually the 2 topic this has happened in.
It seems as if you're trying to contradict me to a degree where you're putting words in my mouth, just for the sake of contradicting.
Wait until I say something you actually disagree with. It's not a disaster not to disagree.
| quote: | | I am, actually. I'm trying to tell you that what's implicit is just as important ad what isn't. |
And that is exactly my point. Since I have never said otherwise, it is not a contradiction of anything I've said. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mattsanity.
If God allowed homosapiens to be homosexual, then he would've made only one gender. No church that takes the Bible seriously can sanction a union between homosexuals or lesbians. |
Careful with your arguments... if God intended humans to be only heterosexual the very fact that we are not then requires God to be fallable, which isn't something you would particularly like to suggest. I think that your assumption that God does not allow humans to be homosexual is simply incorrect.
With regard to churchs that take the bible seriously not being able to allow homosexual marriages; that'shows an incredible degree of ignorance to the bible. The use of the word church obviously implies you mean Christian sects. The "prohibition" on homosexuality is entirely drawn from the old testament; most directly from Leviticus. The Jews divided "the law" into "Justices" and "Jobs"; justices being do not murder, to not steal, do not bear false witness, do not rape, do not adulter, and Jesus added love thy neighbour as yourself - everything else fell into the catagory of jobs. Jesus, Paul and James are all noted repeatedly as teaching that one is required to keep the justices, no mention of the jobs is made by any of them. This being the case; any church teaching that homosexuality is a hell worthy tresspass is doing so based on tradition that is actually outside of the New Testament teachings. Now, being Roman Catholic I don't believe that the Bible is the ultimate authority; however, your argument presuposes that it is. If you believe the Bible to be the ultimate authority on matters of dogma then you also have to believe that the New Testament takes precedence over the old and that God does not hold homosexuality to be a trespass against him; subsequently, there is no basis for denying the sacrament of marriage to homosexuals based on the Bible alone. I would caution you to ensure you actually know the matterial you are relying upon prior to making arguments. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mattsanity.
Yes indeed. I would be a zealous homosexual if the Bible allowed it.
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1) see my post above
2) see Jake Benson |
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| kr00t0n |
Does the book that condemns homosexuality also NOT condemn slavery...?
As for the choosing to be gay thing, does anyone who believes that make up each morning and make a concerted effort to be attracted to the opposite sex? No, didn't think so. |
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| Mattsanity. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Now, being Roman Catholic I don't believe that the Bible is the ultimate authority; |
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