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Eric Prydz's Set(and L4C was right about something) (pg. 2)
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| Juan Paulino |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonmitz
im surprised people (on this website) think using a sample or dropping a melody is some sort of amazing, ground breaking mixing technique |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonmitz
im surprised people (on this website) think using a sample or dropping a melody is some sort of amazing, ground breaking mixing technique |
Only the idiots do. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonmitz
im surprised people (on this website) think using a sample or dropping a melody is some sort of amazing, ground breaking mixing technique |
nobody claimed it was ground breaking. I mean the actual idea dates back a few hundred years. And there is a little more to it than just dropping a sample or melody. That is the technical mechanism which really doesn't encompass the actual musical device being used. But if it is so common and so simple , why does there seem to be a challenge to find actual live mixes that do it even in the most basic way.
Reminds me of using key regions in sets. Everyone claims they do it, but to find an actual example is pretty hard. Instead you have djs that just play tracks in the same key and thinking it is the same thing.
I think real challenge is being able to do this sort of thing without actually having it pre-planed. It sounds counter intuitive, How do you use a previous material without actually planning to use it later on. A dj can imbed dozens of potential thematic stuff that could be used later on thus leaving him/her room to be a dj reading the room but also giving the set a sense of form. And to do that well is not so easy. |
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| zyklon-jay |
| I am the Lizard King and the Answer. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Reminds me of using key regions in sets. Everyone claims they do it, but to find an actual example is pretty hard. Instead you have djs that just play tracks in the same key and thinking it is the same thing.
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u mean like a few tracks are a-c then the next few tracks are c#-e and so forth? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
they are doing it for the simple reason of having 2 tracks in the same key rather than having an actual purpose. When you learn chords, you learn them, you learn certain arrangement of chords and how that sounds and eventually, you've been thru so many iterations of possibilities that you have a pretty good conceptualization of how those chords in certain inversions and in a certain order can sound and the effect it will have.
it would be like pulling out a chord book and playing the notes without understanding the greater point. When people do harmonic mixing, they don't seem to know why they are doing it other than it sounds cool in that instance which would be like playing a chord out of context. The chord should serve the overall tune, the use of harmonic movements should serve the set, |
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| zyklon-jay |
i always play 3 decks. it isn't rocket science.
harmonic mixing can be overrated depending on what you want to achieve.
although these 2 achieve what you are talking about more.
i really hate posting my own stuff. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| can you sort of explain when and where ? |
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| zyklon-jay |
| If i have to it means i did a good job. Tons of accapella work (sometimes using the same ones over the course of a mix with diff songs), playing 2 different remixes at once and juggling, bringing a song i have already mixed out of back during the break as to cancel it and tons more. I was just trying to prove that it is done quite a bit. Using a philosophy that means mixing 2 tracks seamlessly is 1+1=3. Of course i mess in the higher area of the spectrum as it is way less "abrupt" than when doing the same with baselines. I love looping a perc or hat and having it even play alone before dropping something else in. I am a novice DJ and can do this. These aren't "studio" mixes either, they would sound a hell of a lot better if they were.:p |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| i just don't have an hour to listen. I suppose what is important more than the effect us why you did it and how it served the overall mix. And only you can explain that. I think that is what makes the difference between someone just doing something because they can and someone that does it because they are building some sort of large scale set that has a certain logic to it. Otherwise there isn't much difference between that and pulling a Zabiella. |
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| zyklon-jay |
| I guess i would ask Eddie to chime in as he seems to have listened to them and can give a completely unbiased opinion. |
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