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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
my opinion based on what i've been told. I don't have a therapist in the room . But psychologists actually do give opinions. |
They do? I've got psychologists in the family, some of my closest friends happen to be psychologists themselves, and not a single of one condones the expression of opinions in therapy. They may ask questions to guide the client, say things to help the client find inconsistencies that may be troubling them... but opinions? That's why you pay 140 dollars and seek professional help instead of just talking to a friend/random person on the intarwebs. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intellekshual
Sure, it should nevertheless just flow naturally. |
Bingo. If you don't have that, you're with the wrong person.
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
I think he has said in the past that he hires most of his sex, so he can get whatever level of looks he is able to pay for (and if I remember right, he has a fairly lucrative career, too). |
Oh, well in that case he knows exactly what he's talking about :o |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
They do? I've got psychologists in the family, some of my closest friends happen to be psychologists themselves, and not a single of one condones the expression of opinions in therapy. They may ask questions to guide the client, say things to help the client find inconsistencies that may be troubling them... but opinions? That's why you pay 140 dollars and seek professional help instead of just talking to a friend/random person on the intarwebs. |
yup
you pay 140 for their expert opinion and advice which is an opinion formed from opinions. For someone to be recommended CBT, that is essentially an informed opinion based on their opinion of the individual and what would work best and the opinion they have formed from the opinions of research psychologists. A recommendation is an opinion for someone to take some form of action. So for a psychologist not to offer an opinion, i mean i really don't know what they could possible even say in a session unless they just listen and say nothing at all.
They just hate the word for the reasons i stated earlier. Any decision for a certain path of treatment is based on an opinion. It is my opinion that we should go in this path. Phrase it however you want to, it is still an opinion. But an expert opinion. Unlike your friend's opinion. So there is a difference. One is regulated and subject to scrutiny and a code of ethics.
Look up the apa ethics principles. Here i will just paste it for you.
(a) Psychologists base the opinions contained in their recommendations, reports, and diagnostic or evaluative state- ments, including forensic testimony, on information and tech- niques sufficient to substantiate their findings. (See also Stan- dard 2.04, Bases for Scientific and Professional Judgments.)
(b) Except as noted in 9.01c, psychologists provide opinions of the psychological characteristics of individuals only after they have conducted an examination of the indi- viduals adequate to support their statements or conclusions. When, despite reasonable efforts, such an examination is not practical, psychologists document the efforts they made and the result of those efforts, clarify the probable impact of their limited information on the reliability and validity of their opinions, and appropriately limit the nature and extent of their conclusions or recommendations. (See also Standards 2.01, Boundaries of Competence, and 9.06, Interpreting As- sessment Results.)
(c) When psychologists conduct a record review or provide consultation or supervision and an individual exami- nation is not warranted or necessary for the opinion, psychol- ogists explain this and the sources of information on which they based their conclusions and recommendations.
but this is really just an argument about what opinion means which i think is kind of pointless. I'm not saying every psychologist at every single utterance of a word is offering an opinion, some do more some less, but they do and it isn't some sort of taboo. Taboos would be included in the ethic code. Like ing your insecure 15 year old suicidal client with the cute shoes. We are arguing semantics and it is pointless. |
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| fredjan |
while we're at it on the love/relationship subject.
What the hell is up with the 50 Shades of Grey hype? |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
you pay 140 for their expert opinion and advice which is an opinion formed from opinions. For someone to be recommended CBT, that is essentially an informed opinion based on their opinion of the individual and what would work best and the opinion they have formed from the opinions of research psychologists. A recommendation is an opinion for someone to take some form of action. So for a psychologist not to offer an opinion, i mean i really don't know what they could possible even say in a session unless they just listen and say nothing at all.
They just hate the word for the reasons i stated earlier. |
I'm sorry if it sounds rude but I really must ask you this question: Do you know anything about psychology? At all? It's like you believe all of psychology is just one thing, and therapist work the same way an organisational psychologist does. Here, this is why I'm saying that:
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Look up the apa ethics principles. Here i will just paste it for you.
(a) Psychologists base the opinions contained in their recommendations, reports, and diagnostic or evaluative statements, including forensic testimony, on information and techniques sufficient to substantiate their findings. (See also Standard 2.04, Bases for Scientific and Professional Judgments.) |
Should you read this carefully, you'll notice there's absolutely nothing about therapy whatsoever in this paragraph, because it's mainly about evaluations that are usually addressed to third parties. Psychologists are often hired, for example, to write assessments about candidates for a possible job.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
(b) Except as noted in 9.01c, psychologists provide opinions of the psychological characteristics of individuals only after they have conducted an examination of the individuals adequate to support their statements or conclusions. When, despite reasonable efforts, such an examination is not practical, psychologists document the efforts they made and the result of those efforts, clarify the probable impact of their limited information on the reliability and validity of their opinions, and appropriately limit the nature and extent of their conclusions or recommendations. (See also Standards 2.01, Boundaries of Competence, and 9.06, Interpreting As- sessment Results.) |
The point I made above stands.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
(c) When psychologists conduct a record review or provide consultation or supervision and an individual examination is not warranted or necessary for the opinion, psychologists explain this and the sources of information on which they based their conclusions and recommendations. |
And the point still stands.
This being said, you throwing in your two cents and claiming it's worth 140 dollars is what economists call hyperinflation. And, if you have any training in psychology, you should know that you don't have nearly as much information about Orange to actually give him any professional advice other than "seek professional help". |
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| Looney4Clooney |
What i know about psychology, I have been seeing therapists / psychiatrists perhaps 20 years ? IN montreal , was seing what doctors would call the experts in aspergers in the city so i am pretty sure they were not hacks. I also read quite a bit as it is something that affects me. I am familiar with every style of psychology, enough to recognize when it is being used .... The one thing i have learned is that what these people share . they are opinions. More informed than the average person, but they are not holy writ, they are often wrong, and i don't know what else you would describe what they do. The opinions might be veiled as something else, but they are essentially opinions. I think you think i am saying you sit down and they just start saying , hmmm you know what i thing , i think you like need to just chill. You know my opinion is that you need to stop being depressed.
They give courses of treatment. Those are opinions. I don't have any psychologists in the family. I have a psychiatrist but that is in Ireland and we don't talk much, a anesthetist who is my sister. They are governed by much more stringent codes of conduct and trust me , what they do is offer opinions. That is their business. The entire medical industry is one of opinion. How often you meet, treatment, assessment ..... opinions
What i will agree with and i think this is more what you are thinking is advice (which tends to be the word used in psychotherapy)/ opinion not related to the actual thing being treated. SHould i dump my boyfriend. Yes you don't give that sort of opinion. But even saying keep a journal and say how you feel, that is advice, which is just another word for opinion.
The point to that passage is that to treat someone, you have to assess, and to assess, you are making an opinion. And again to implement, you are going on that opinion. All psychology stems from an opinion. They don't get paid by insurance companies unless they make that opinion / diagnosis. So to suggest they don't make opinions, well i find that untenable. It is also the only passage in the code that the word opinion,
Regarding my opinion to the guy with the girl .
my words
you want real non bull advice, see a therapist. I think i was the only ing person so don't accuse me of insisting i know best. I clearly don't, i did point out some strategies that are not that affective that have nothing to do with the person rather others suggesting them. |
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| OrangestO |
| You edit your posts too much, brah. |
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| srussell0018 |
I don't know how someone can edit their posts so much yet still appear to be at a third grade reading level.
Apparently they don't teach elementary grammar at Juilli....I mean McGill. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| english is my second language, i am not looking at the keyboard, and these posts are made when i am taking a 5 minute break from work. Basically, i'm doing other . |
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| srussell0018 |
| Is Autistic your first? |
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| OrangestO |
| No, pseudologia fantastica is his first. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| because my parents were immigrants, i had to go to a french school. A Quebec law. Can't remember ever taking an english class. I know it is required but ya, if I need to I can. I just don't really care here. And yes, i have autism. Not sure what the punchline is. |
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