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| BTG |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Atheism is merely an acknowledgement that there is no evidence. It isn't predicated on the idea that there is no god, only that there is no evidence for god. Rather open ended. An atheist would be rather easy to convince. There just is no evidence. Nothing. And given there is no evidence, you wonder why people get annoyed when others feel they know what god things and want to force that on you ? |
the key word is faith.
i'm not saying your points are invalid. but the whole premise of the bible is based on 'faith'.
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Noahs ark. |
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| Mattsanity. |
Looney, I'll watch that video.
| quote: | Originally posted by itsamemario
Which translates in your brain: Believe in God or be called a fool.
It's ing brainwashing 101. |
Your in control of your life brethren. As powerful as God is, he still gives everyone the free will to believe in him or not. He can only take you to the water fountain. Only the individual can drink the water. |
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| Mattsanity. |
| quote: | Originally posted by BTG
the key word is faith.
i'm not saying your points are invalid. but the whole premise of the bible is based on 'faith'.
also
Noahs ark. |
this is exactly the point of christianity. we live by faith and not by sight. we don't need to see God with our own eyes. We simply need to keep hope alive, and that is how he gives our lives meaning. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mattsanity.
this is exactly the point of christianity. we live by faith and not by sight. we don't need to see God with our own eyes. We simply need to keep hope alive, and that is how he gives our lives meaning. |
so it works for you which is great. Well great for you, others who suffer from christian dogma, not so much. What i find curious is why you chose Christianity. Why not any other of the thousands of religions. Surely your choice for this particular one involved some critical look at the facts. Or where you raised a Christian or exposed to Christianity and this is all you know.
Why not a religion say Islam that actually has some factual evidence ie Mohammed existed. The only reason i seem to think you would chose this other that is for convenience. You believe it because it is a nice thing to believe. I think Santa is also nice. Tooth fairy is also pretty novel idea. Why christianity. |
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| Mattsanity. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
so it works for you which is great. Well great for you, others who suffer from christian dogma, not so much. What i find curious is why you chose Christianity. Why not any other of the thousands of religions. Surely your choice for this particular one involved some critical look at the facts. Or where you raised a Christian or exposed to Christianity and this is all you know.
Why not a religion say Islam that actually has some factual evidence ie Mohammed existed. The only reason i seem to think you would chose this other that is for convenience. You believe it because it is a nice thing to believe. I think Santa is also nice. Tooth fairy is also pretty novel idea. Why christianity. |
No person ever claimed to be God except Jesus. He's either the biggest liar of all-time or he's the real deal. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mattsanity.
No person ever claimed to be God except Jesus. He's either the biggest liar of all-time or he's the real deal. |
I asked you how people know what god is thinking. And as you say, nobody is god and since jesus , didn't write the bible, it makes it kinda dubious how anyone could possibly know. But you seem to know. You make assertions that god is trying to find us. It sounds pretty. And yes, you have faith but your faith is as absurd as i'm assuming you would consider one's faith in a real Santa Clause.
AS far as jesus being a liar, or the real deal, well the problem there is that there are 0 first hand witnesses on record, no accounts of the guy ever writing anything down and all you have to go on is the conflated opinions of anonymous writers that wrote about him decades later.
Not sure how much you know about memory but it is rather poor. There are so many studies that show how we really don't remember things we are certain of even minutes after the fact. And you are taking the word of people that didn't know him and were not alive when he supposedly existed. |
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| Mattsanity. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I asked you how people know what god is thinking. And as you say, nobody is god and since jesus , didn't write the bible, it makes it kinda dubious how anyone could possibly know. But you seem to know. You make assertions that god is trying to find us. It sounds pretty. And yes, you have faith but your faith is as absurd as i'm assuming you would consider one's faith in a real Santa Clause.
AS far as jesus being a liar, or the real deal, well the problem there is that there are 0 first hand witnesses on record, no accounts of the guy ever writing anything down and all you have to go on is the conflated opinions of anonymous writers that wrote about him decades later.
Not sure how much you know about memory but it is rather poor. There are so many studies that show how we really don't remember things we are certain of even minutes after the fact. And you are taking the word of people that didn't know him and were not alive when he supposedly existed. |
I'm not even sure myself if the authors of the 4 gospels knew Jesus. I've learned that Mark and Luke did not, while Matthew and John might have. 2 of the 4 might've known Jesus, or none of them knew him. But what matters here is that the 4 gospels have tremendous influence in people's lives. They all explain the life of Jesus and what he did for mankind, and that is why it has affected people's lives for the better - not just temporarily but for their whole lifespan.
Let me say this homeboy: are you content with how your life is right now? If you are, then I have nothing much to say - the atheistic life rocks. If you aren't, then well...you can win this debate for atheists but your life remains the same sans Jesus of Nazareth. I'm not trying to be coldblooded or merciless but that's the way I see it based on my experience.
why do so many non-christians (or even self-proclaimed christians) take illegal drugs? because they all want to go to heaven. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mattsanity.
why do so many non-christians (or even self-proclaimed christians) take illegal drugs? because they all want to go to heaven. |
why do so many christians rape little boys. In particular priests. I was hinting out how silly your question and the information used to base it are. But it is interesting how religion famously called the opiate of the masses implies you guys are all on drugs. You could not say that about all or most atheists.
On the topic of drugs and illegality. Organized crime , at least in America exists because of well intentioned fools , christians , lobbying the government to pass laws that ended up rather unwell. Mafia exists in american -> christianity. The reason why USA has the most people locked up for crimes that hurt nobody -> christianity. Your religion is appalling is so many ways. Its ability to do harm is just omnipotent. But i'm glad it serves you well. Sounds exactly like what jesus would want.
And regarding your bible, 0 of the people knew jesus. This isn't contested by anyone that is a scholar on religion. You just have to look. And you say it doesn't matter because it made people's lives better. Try selling that to
persecution of jews
the inquisition
homosexuals
slaves
Mayans
i mean the list is ridiculous
christianity might make your life better but christians are never satisfied with just that. They have to interfere usually making other people's life worse. And what jesus did for us ? If you think vicarious redemption is moral in any way, you have a skewed sense of morality. It takes away responsibility, it undermines morality , cheapens it and is just a disgusting idea even more grotesque because of its celebration. |
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| Mattsanity. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
why do so many christians rape little boys. In particular priests. I was hinting out how silly your question and the information used to base it are. But it is interesting how religion famously called the opiate of the masses implies you guys are all on drugs. You could not say that about all or most atheists.
On the topic of drugs and illegality. Organized crime , at least in America exists because of well intentioned fools , christians , lobbying the government to pass laws that ended up rather unwell. Mafia exists in american -> christianity. The reason why USA has the most people locked up for crimes that hurt nobody -> christianity. Your religion is appalling is so many ways. Its ability to do harm is just omnipotent. But i'm glad it serves you well. Sounds exactly like what jesus would want.
And regarding your bible, 0 of the people knew jesus. This isn't contested by anyone that is a scholar on religion. You just have to look. And you say it doesn't matter because it made people's lives better. Try selling that to
persecution of jews
the inquisition
homosexuals
slaves
Mayans
i mean the list is ridiculous
christianity might make your life better but christians are never satisfied with just that. They have to interfere usually making other people's life worse. And what jesus did for us ? If you think vicarious redemption is moral in any way, you have a skewed sense of morality. It takes away responsibility, it undermines morality , cheapens it and is just a disgusting idea even more grotesque because of its celebration. |
Any nigga walking on God's green earth can label themselves a "christian." It's as simple as breathing. The christians you're talking about quite frankly aren't christians at all. I'm not saying you're completely wrong because christians do sin like everyone else. I'm just saying that the immoral behavior from these pseudo-christians were never advocated by Christ Jesus.
Jesus should be literally everything to a christian, so for a "christian" to misrepresent him consistently is the ultimate reason why they aren't christians.
Adolf Hitler was never a christian from 1933-1945, and that's a fact. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mattsanity.
Adolf Hitler was never a christian from 1933-1945, and that's a fact. |
although i agree in that he was not a practicing theist at that point, i think your intention was to convince me that even if hitler claimed he was a christian, the fact that he sinned makes him non christian. and that is where your bible is rather explicit. First that everyone is a sinner which places Adolf with everyone else, and that no matter what you do, you are saved because jesus died for your sins. Hence why i mentioned how ed up vicarious redemption is evil and amoral. That is where you lack the moral high ground. No matter what the you do, you have a way out. Just have to atone, and say you are sorry. Atheists have to actually be responsible for their actions. |
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| Mattsanity. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
although i agree in that he was not a practicing theist at that point, i think your intention was to convince me that even if hitler claimed he was a christian, the fact that he sinned makes him non christian. and that is where your bible is rather explicit. First that everyone is a sinner which places Adolf with everyone else, and that no matter what you do, you are saved because jesus died for your sins. Hence why i mentioned how ed up vicarious redemption is evil and amoral. That is where you lack the moral high ground. No matter what the you do, you have a way out. Just have to atone, and say you are sorry. Atheists have to actually be responsible for their actions. |
That's exactly how wack ass christians live though. Any christian who says atheists are worse off because they don't have God's forgiveness should be slapped. According to christianity, we're sinners who will sin for the rest of our lives, but what separates the real christians from the snakes is continuous repentance. No, that phrase isn't in the Bible but that's what christians need to do, especially on a daily basis. If a christian says they'll live messed up and repent only once when they're 99 years old, then that's what it means to use God as a scapegoat. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
lol
so it isn't in the bible . Well that sort of makes you wonder if you really need the bible. It seems like this belief is just innate. And the fact that you mentioned it shows that you do not need the bible, or anything in it to be a good person. You basically just said, sure it isn't in the bible or any teachings but it is common sense. Lets just do it.
guess who does that. Atheists. |
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