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DJ setup explained...by AVB (pg. 4)
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| Ryan0751 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
But if you're only bringing it in a couple of mm, then you wouldn't hear it yet on the PA, then you can check the cans and bring it in (fadre further up) as you like.
Of course, the easiest thing would be to check if the fader start works without the audio being connected to that same channel. If it does work with just having the control cable plugged in (and the audio output from the other CDJ going to another fader on the mixer) then problem all solved - you've got one "dual start fader" and one fader to then control the audio.
I just checked the video though, and it seems he does just use the same channel for fader start and audio volume control - he's not routing the CDJ to the other fader for discrete volume control.
Weird. |
Even if the mixer requires this, hey just hookup the analog out of the CDJ to the fader start channel, and digital out to the audio channel. Turn the gain down on the fader start channel to 0. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
Even if the mixer requires this, hey just hookup the analog out of the CDJ to the fader start channel, and digital out to the audio channel. Turn the gain down on the fader start channel to 0. |
I take it you mean "digital out of the CDJ to the digital input on the volume fader" (not the fader start channel).
That should certainly work but it seems he's not doing that, especially as according to the video he has the SMPTE on the other fader.
It seems he's just bringing in that one fader for both start and volume. |
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| Ryan0751 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I take it you mean "digital out of the CDJ to the digital input on the volume fader" (not the fader start channel).
That should certainly work but it seems he's not doing that, especially as according to the video he has the SMPTE on the other fader.
It seems he's just bringing in that one fader for both start and volume. |
Well he's clearly doing it wrong. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| don't really get the point of smpte unless it is already planned or you have one master out. The system overall is pretty ghetto considering the performer. I mean an 8700 GX or wholehog would do this without the mess of pointless protocol that relies on a dj who will up. And maybe i didn't pay attention but are they actually using an akai to trigger visuals from a laptop. ing ridiculous. |
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| Ryan0751 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
don't really get the point of smpte unless it is already planned or you have one master out. The system overall is pretty ghetto considering the performer. I mean an 8700 GX or wholehog would do this without the mess of pointless protocol that relies on a dj who will up. And maybe i didn't pay attention but are they actually using an akai to trigger visuals from a laptop. ing ridiculous. |
But this is just using SMPTE for video, the video has lyrics in it, which need to be synced up to the audio. The audio is started and controlled by the DJ, and the audio can be slowed down, edited, modified on the fly by the DJ.
How would a light controller help with this? I mean yes, you can have your light controller output DMX/Art-Net/etc. to trigger the video starting in whatever video program you're using (Resolume, Module8, whatever), but it needs to sync with your audio.
The Akai is actually pretty common for VJ's, it's pre-mapped in at least Arkaos and a few other apps. I assume this VJ actually has other controls and the liberty to play them on the fly, just like the light jockey does. There's probably many displays that also need to be controlled.
Seems like a fairly solid setup to me. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
just seems really really ghetto for someone that is paid quite a bit. I was assuming he was controlling lights as well.
As far as the smpte, why not just send both on the audio ones and then mix them at the lighting console.
I don't know. It just seems kinda uninspired. |
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| Ryan0751 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
just seems really really ghetto for someone that is paid quite a bit. I was assuming he was controlling lights as well.
As far as the smpte, why not just send both on the audio ones and then mix them at the lighting console.
I don't know. It just seems kinda uninspired. |
DJ's shouldn't control lights. Lights are an art in themselves!
What do you mean send both on the audio ones?
I don't know how I feel about the whole lyrics on the screen. It makes people stare at them. Not really dance. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
i mean the video / light guy. Surely he can do more than sequence video to the tracks. You would never see this sort of set up with say an actual pop act with a real tour manager and real problems.
What i don't get is why you need 2 extra devices to send the smpte signal that would be sent from the ones playin the audio in the first place. Then use a broadcast switcher.
I will level that i really didn't pay too much attention to the video. But what i gather, he has certain tracks where the time code lines up with coded video so that they sync for lyrics. So it isn't just a mater of sending a master clock.
I just find the setup really limiting. Using a laptop to me seems like a bad idea for big tours. And I agree with the lyrics on the screen. But i have a feeling there are many minutes with no drums where people need something to flail to. |
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| itsamemario |
| I bet there are far more elegant solutions to combine vdj'ing and mixing, in different screen ratios, without using smtpe and players that cost the equivalent of a year and a half of gas. For someone who's been using Mixmeister to make his radio shows, he sure seems to have a hard time letting go of the "good old" cdj's, insteading of spearheading the inevitable transition to digital. But I guess that is the folly of trance - forever ten years behind. But it's been a good run, even though the last five year has mostly been for show. What's left are forced riffs and ty chord progressions, and rehashes of old ideas. ALl the good melodies are already taken. But dunkel van buren, like his hair due, is out of style. And like in South Africa, only a few torpid dutch men still stand their ground while outside the comfort of their gated community they are yelling "Kill the epic cheeser". He has indeed built himself a fine armada. It's just a shame building ships out of wood went out of style a long time ago, so when matched up against the metallic clang of industrial techno, there's little but a few scared sailors helplessly holding on to the driftwood that once was The Great Armada, a shimmer of acceptance that this is the end in their eyes. Goodbye brave sailor, it's time to cast loss. |
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| Trancelover03591 |
I really like CDJs. I feel a lot more in control of cueing and also jogging the tracks BPM up or down slightly to correct any small timing errors. If I ever DJ live I wouldn't want to use a laptop, but that is just a personal preference. I don't think that is living in the past the same way playing dated music is. Rather, I think it is the same as someone who prefers hardware to digital synths.
Also, I prefer creating riffs and melodies on a midi controller rather than with a mouse on a piano roll. The mere act of using the keys gives the feel of more control over the velocity of the notes, the rhythm and the length of the notes. I can more quickly try new ideas. When I find one I like, I then plot the notes on the piano roll. If I had the money, I would use as much hardware as possible to control FL Studio physically with knobs and such. |
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| Raphie |
I'm back to computerless DJíng
using my 900's and Prolink
started with the 900's in HID mode in traktor, but laptop lid closed and 1 64GB USB stick is so much more fun.
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| Ryan0751 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
I'm back to computerless DJíng
using my 900's and Prolink
started with the 900's in HID mode in traktor, but laptop lid closed and 1 64GB USB stick is so much more fun.
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Tis true. I'm keeping Traktor around so I can continue to use my 1200's as well. But the last few times I played out, I lugged my 2000's to the club. It was a whole lot quicker to set up than timecode! |
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