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Do we really suck at giving tips abroad? (pg. 3)
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| ninjahola |
| Quebecois often tip on the before tax bill. Which is absurd. Here in NYC, the going rate of tips are 20%, but servers often make about 4$ an hour. In taxis, you actually don't even get an option to tip below 20%. The options are 20, 25 and 30%. Also, at the bottom of bills here, the POS systems actually show what a 20, 25 and 30% tip would be based on your bill. Americans are above and beyond the best tippers, but yes, sometimes they don't tip well in Quebec. In my experience this is because the quality of service is far worse than in the US. Unfortunately, based on what I've seen and come across, French servers, who get Americans, think to themselves, esti I got an english, and serve them accordingly. When its the easiest thing ever to get a tip from an American. Tell them you love their country. Period. Boom, 25-30% every time. The bottom line is, wherever you are, you'll get good and ty tippers. But, like midgets at urinals, just keep them on their toes, and you should get something. At the end of the day you're a server, or bartender, this ain't brain surgery. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| I just spent 10$ for a lobster and left nothing but the opportunity to say thank you in English. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
The last time I checked (which was a few years ago), waitstaff were paid about $3 per hour here, which is significantly lover than the standard minimum wage. Of course, this is because it is expected that they will make their money from tips. I know a lot of people from Quebec come here for bargains, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it is understandable that servers here are only looking for fair compensation for their work. 15%-20% is the common range for tipping here. |
and that compensation should come from their employer. Tipping is a stupid concept. The employer can put a 20% gratuity on the price. They don't. Get mad at management.
I used to be a waiter for 6-7 years and there is something to be said about waiters. Douchebag self entitled idiots that feel the world owes them more tips. All they talk about are their tips. Their precious tips. I used to tip out of guilt. I now have no problem leaving absolutely nothing if the person was a dick head. 10% of poor, 15% if ok, 20% if good.
One thing i've noticed is how american waiters don't know what they are doing. Taking food before others are done. serving from the left. Touching you. Getting on their knee so you know they are on the level. They know nothing about wine, can't pronounce the bottles they sell. Even in NYC. The only thing they do in the USA is fast and friendly.
That works at a dinner. |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
and that compensation should come from their employer. Tipping is a stupid concept. The employer can put a 20% gratuity on the price. They don't. Get mad at management.
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You should read the original article. That is what's being put in place. Except it's 18%.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
One thing i've noticed is how american waiters don't know what they are doing. Taking food before others are done. serving from the left. Touching you. Getting on their knee so you know they are on the level. They know nothing about wine, can't pronounce the bottles they sell. Even in NYC. The only thing they do in the USA is fast and friendly.
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Try eating somewhere other than Applebee's next time you're in the States.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I used to be a waiter for 6-7 years and there is something to be said about waiters. Douchebag self entitled idiots that feel the world owes them more tips. |
You are a crazy person
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I now have no problem leaving absolutely nothing if the person was a dick head. 10% of poor, 15% if ok, 20% if good. |
Completely legit. This is the way it should be. |
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| crazydafy |
| quote: | | esti I got an english |
This made me crack up alone at work.
| quote: | | the quality of service is far worse than in the US |
My experience in burlington restaurants with the wait staff was terrible so i dont agree with this. (And it wasnt an apple bees) but it was far from beeing anything close to a relais chateau lol.
Anyways hers a theory ppl that go to b town for the wknd from quebec are the ones who want cheap clothes and to get out of qc at the same time a bit. Right away with that you can expect they wont tip that much because theyr broke. the ones who will tip well arent gona go to burlington for a weekend because why would they? |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by ninjahola
esti I got an english |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
and that compensation should come from their employer. Tipping is a stupid concept. The employer can put a 20% gratuity on the price. They don't. Get mad at management.
I used to be a waiter for 6-7 years and there is something to be said about waiters. Douchebag self entitled idiots that feel the world owes them more tips. All they talk about are their tips. Their precious tips. I used to tip out of guilt. I now have no problem leaving absolutely nothing if the person was a dick head. 10% of poor, 15% if ok, 20% if good.
One thing i've noticed is how american waiters don't know what they are doing. Taking food before others are done. serving from the left. Touching you. Getting on their knee so you know they are on the level. They know nothing about wine, can't pronounce the bottles they sell. Even in NYC. The only thing they do in the USA is fast and friendly.
That works at a dinner. |
Amen. This is exactly the kind of post I was about to write after this comment
| quote: | Originally posted by ~*Stereohead*~
so please, considering that the server who's taking care of you has to tip out a very significant amount of his/her own tips, don't you dare say 18% is too much. a 15% tip translates into barely 12%, when you consider tip-outs. |
The only thing I'll add though is in response to this comment
| quote: | Originally posted by ~*Stereohead*~
not to mention that i am legally obligated to declare every penny i walk out with or i face an audit come tax time. no more 8% tip estimates anymore on every paycheck. it's down to the pennies now. |
Oh, so now we have to feel sorry for you for paying taxes? So what? Everyone pays taxes. Do you go to the doctor and get free health care? Do you use roads? Did you get educated in the publicly funded education system?
That's like saying to my employer, "Well you know, even though you're paying me a salary of $X per year, I am legally obliged to declare every penny I walk out wiht or I face an audit come tax time. Therefore, you should give me more money." |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Get mad at management.
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A manager at a restaurant isn't the person to talk to to challenge the pay structure of restaurants of an entire country.
| quote: | Originally posted by crazydafy
the ones who will tip well arent gona go to burlington for a weekend because why would they? |
Lots of people come to Burlington from Quebec just to visit and not to shop. I talk to them all the time. Although personally, I think that if you're coming to Vermont just to get away, Burlington is not the place to get the most of what this state has to offer. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
A. Manager decides the pay of their business period. Regarding your Applebee's comment, I am talking about the kinds of places you not only could not afford but would never be let in. They are nice, upbeat and everything I hate in a waiter. I don't care what your name is, in fact the less I see of a waiter the better. American styled service is tacky. Is everything ok? Who asks that. At 50$ a plate, you assume it is good unless I haven't touched my plate. Waiters even in NYC are young inexperienced and hired for personality. And personality is the thing i care about least. French service is just more relaxed, less annoying and generally More knowledgeable than their American counterparts. And every waiter in the USA has that annoying ed up mannerism you see in south park.
The problem is that a good waiter has to know French. And most Americans would have trouble finding France on a map let alone be able to tell you the type of soil that makes a good Bourdeaux or that a pinot Gris is not the same as its italian counter part. I guess in Montreal and france those working in good restaurants can do so and live well and not get canned when they are considered too old and as result know more. Rare to find any waiter at any decent establishment in Montreal that does not have 10 years of experience.
In the USA, and even upscale places in NYC, you tend to find those that follow a script. I can't tell you how much someone asking me off with "can I start you off with a drink" makes me want to slap the waiter.
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| crazydafy |
| quote: | | Although personally, I think that if you're coming to Vermont just to get away, Burlington is not the place to get the most of what this state has to offer. |
Longtrail!! the trail And the brewery!! Blackberry wheat!! Stowe and that river not soo far away with those water holes to jump in!! every single mountain!! crusiingg around in the woods with packed bowls cause j's turn out to be too expensive lol.. meeeenn I ing love VT NH. Jay Peak! the lakes everywhere. The kegs ! The Snow! The chilliiiinnn. The bed & Breakfasts in the midle of nowhere with way to nice hosts! Man VT IS THE ING BOMB no question about it. And burlington is def not the place to go to experience it. Unless cooked out hippies is your thing hint hint UVM lol |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| I just ate dolphin steaks. I didn't tip. I got a shave for 10 RMB. (like 2 bucks.) I gave him 10 RMB tip and it took 5 minutes to get him to take it. Canada and America are so 1969 it isn't even funny:p |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| when you frame this question around where it actually happens, it kinda makes more sense. Like asking why there everyone seems to be overweight and slightly retarded at a NRA meeting. People that go to vermont for shopping are what you call white trash. I thought this was something poor people did in the 80s. I don't know. There is a difference between Quebec and montreal. But really, why would anyone want to go to vermont. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
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Amen. This is exactly the kind of post I was about to write after this comment
The only thing I'll add though is in response to this comment
Oh, so now we have to feel sorry for you for paying taxes? So what? Everyone pays taxes. Do you go to the doctor and get free health care? Do you use roads? Did you get educated in the publicly funded education system?
That's like saying to my employer, "Well you know, even though you're paying me a salary of $X per year, I am legally obliged to declare every penny I walk out wiht or I face an audit come tax time. Therefore, you should give me more money." |
does make you wonder why this particular job doesn't fit the minimum wage description, Traditionally it was assumed you made 15%, declared 8 and everyone was happy.
It was a sweet job when you could walk with 500$ and not have to pay a dime in taxes. Even that 8% used to be voluntary at most high end places. Nobody cared because everyone including the owners were running some sort of tax evasion scam. Not sure how people get by these days. |
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