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EDC Orlando 2013 (Nov 8th&9th) (pg. 5)
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| ucforange |
| quote: | Originally posted by PatMcGroin
edc is one of the poorest excuses for a festival ever. i went in 2011 and i noticed the same things you addressed.
theres a lot of ways to look at this but heres my 2 cents...
first and foremost, this new genre you couldnt place is called 'trouse.' maybe a joke of a name but it really fits. these days mainstream producers just follow simple formulas with the same exact drops. because i guess its too difficult to be original. same reason they cant build a set.
take a listen to this: https://soundcloud.com/daleri/epic-mashleg . its 16 drops from tracks that were in the beatport top 100 during the summer. please someone explain to me why any of these artists deserve a single cent for using a recycled sound. sadly, they are richer than i will ever be.
i guess a large part of the problem is the masses. most edm fans are generally younger. most are not like us. i personally have been listening to edm for well over 15 years and i can say ive seen how genres have grown, changed, and even died. in addition i have been to a wide range of parties in many different places over the world. however most edm fans (the ones that are actually paying the bills even if it is coming from mommy and daddy) simply do not possess this experience and therefore the knowledge that comes with it. i mean we all have to start somewhere and admittedly i listened to some cheesy back in the day too. so the starting point for these kids is social media and beatport and whatever artists can just jam the most amount of their sound down their throats. why did hardwell win #1 this year? defiantly not because hes the best dj in the world but rather because his team does the best job promoting his brand. he does a damn good job getting huge events out to his fans. his tomorrowland sets are on youtube in full basically as soon as its possible. same with his ultra sets and world tour kickoff shows etc etc. so simply because this is available to the younger generation this is what theyre feeding off of and thats what they end up wanting more of. hence why two stages basically had the same sound.
its sad that this simplistic sound (although sometimes fun) is whats driving the money in our scene, while actually the more meaningful sounds are being forgotten. but at the end of the days its all about dollars to the promoters. at some point the bubble will burst and our music will be out and uncool again. we will see less shows but at this point we will also see a rise in the quality of music.
its just edc orlando is not a good indication of everything thats going on. its really just a cheap ass festival. i mean okay, if you know what you're getting yourself into you can have fun. i made the most of it when i was there in 2011, either you can bitch and moan all day or make the best of it. but its more of an excuse for these kids to rage than a celebration of whats making the artists move at the moment. being a dj used to be about sharing the music you loved. either that track you just poured your heart into or that special record you found after digging around in the record shop for hours that you havent be able to get out of your head. but times have changed.
hope we can keep this discussion going. :) |
I get what you're saying but I wouldn't label EDC Orlando as a cheap ass festival. It was top notch this year. It's nothing like it was in 2011. Neon garden was the music wise and it's visually impressive as well.
There's no comparison to 2011 or even 2012. They redesigned the entire layout of the festival and the bells and whistles were a nice touch -- visually impressive no matter where you went, even on the path that went around the pond on the right side of Neon Garden. They stepped their game up for sure.
But yeah, most of these kids that go to these things have no idea about any of the music. I will add that Friday at Neon Garden, there were a fair amount of the young kids that were getting down to the music, far more than last year...so maybe there's hope. |
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| Faceplant |
| The visuals this year were sick. I didn't even check out the other stages besides neon garden but for being the small lame stage shoved In the corner I was suprised at the sound and visual quality this year. I'm sure the other 2 stages were even better. I will upload some vids when I get a chance |
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| OrangestO |
I don't have a gripe with these festivals except for what they charge. I mean, they do an OK job trying to cater to everyone - whether you're a teeny bopper just wanting to party and buy the ticket without giving a about who's on the bill, or you're a more seasoned enthusiast. EDC Orlando took way too long to release any information about who was performing, which doesn't affect the teeny bopper who doesn't care and angers the enthusiast who wants further information before committing. As a result, the enthusiast waits for more information and has to pay much more when they find out. that .
I didn't go simply for the fact that it costs way too much for way too little music that I would ultimately enjoy. I'm paying $10 to go see Three, J Philip, and CVS this Thursday. With how unorganized the ticketing process is and how expensive they are after all is said and done, I'll take a club night any day of the week. I absolutely love the productions at the festivals, but I love the music more. If I have to subject myself to waiting for lineups (let alone who's actually just coming) and paying out more just to see some lights, then I'm going to pass every time. Add all those other extra charges when you go to EDC and you have to ask yourself how worthwhile is it, really?
To each their own, I suppose. Although I love festivals, I'd rather just go see one or two DJs spin for the whole night at a club than fork out my left nut to attend an unorganized light show. |
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| arul |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
I absolutely love the productions at the festivals, but I love the music more. .....
I'd rather just go see one or two DJs spin for the whole night. |
Good point. I love festivals for the energy and production of it all- however if the music isn't there, it's all for not... It starts with the music. My take home lesson is to be much more discerning with the artist lineup and pay more attention to "what does this lineup as a whole say about the overall theme of the music that can be expected?".... In this case, I should have known better. No fault of EDC. I was just going blindly off of our great experience from Last year's day 2. |
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| Faceplant |
I would have paid the 80 I spent just to see the art department set no joke.
Bang for buck you are better off going to treehouse in miami and dropping 10 bucks to see world class acts but the its just not the same without being able to look at whores running around with pastys, phat asss in thongs everywhere, and people running around super ed up making me feel better about how I'm looking. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Faceplant
its just not the same without being able to look at whores running around with pastys, phat asss in thongs everywhere, and people running around super ed up making me feel better about how I'm looking. |
And you think that makes your price of admission worth it? Seems legit.
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| diabloargentino |
| quote: | Originally posted by Faceplant
I would have paid the 80 I spent just to see the art department set no joke.
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these guys are having a massive year. they were so so good at robot heart in brooklyn 2 weeks ago for halloween. |
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| arul |
awesome, thanks for pointing that out. I will take a listen and hear if I missed anything worthwile. You know we were saying how the only set of the night where we heard something actually going was New World Punx, only to find out later it was Ferry and Schulz. Had no clue. It was harder than I typically like, but they clearly were above the other sets as far as flow and construction. We did say to each other: "maybe not fully our cup of tea but at least it was a set we could have fun with for an hour". Hopefully the new guys were listening to how some old pros did it. Still cant believe that was who I was listening to. Do you think they are touring under that monicure for that exact purpose? To market something new to the new generation without preconceived notions of what they have done in the past for so many years? Sure fooled me... I bet so. |
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| Faceplant |
| Lmfao at the recorded sets!!!!! Great selection!!!! |
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| SillySilvia |
ok, after going to many EDCs in my 20+ years in this scene, I live just on the outskirts of where it all started for Pasquale Rotella, I too posed the same questions about the newbies and come to realize it is our duty as the educate them. we friend them, talk to them, tell them our stories of how we broadened our horizons of choice of music. the ones who got to hear Digweed cause they wanted to there from the time they open the gates to the time the lights come on, got a taste of good music before they heard the other djs play the trouse sound.
as for production, PR had put in alot cuz the standards are high, he didn't make out with as much money as he usually does. I know that's hard to understand but maybe Live Nation(50% partner) put a cap on spending to save as much as possible for the mother, EDC Vegas?:conf: I
ticket prices...yea, sucks to have to pay a higher amount once you know you want to go after an initial line-up is announced. thing is, the interest is there already, he doesn't need to have one when tickets go on sale. people just want to have fun(to each their own however they achieve it) with their friends. the increase in prices is kind of justifiable, he has to make money. some getting tickets for what? $100 a day? 2 day attendance was around 64k from what I heard. $6.4M if all paid that, wouldn't be enough to take care of expenses of the production, talent(flight, hotel, their trailer needs), staff, city, security, med staff and so on. increase has to happen to make enough for the next one. |
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| ucforange |
| quote: | Originally posted by SillySilvia
ok, after going to many EDCs in my 20+ years in this scene, I live just on the outskirts of where it all started for Pasquale Rotella, I too posed the same questions about the newbies and come to realize it is our duty as the educate them. we friend them, talk to them, tell them our stories of how we broadened our horizons of choice of music. the ones who got to hear Digweed cause they wanted to there from the time they open the gates to the time the lights come on, got a taste of good music before they heard the other djs play the trouse sound.
as for production, PR had put in alot cuz the standards are high, he didn't make out with as much money as he usually does. I know that's hard to understand but maybe Live Nation(50% partner) put a cap on spending to save as much as possible for the mother, EDC Vegas?:conf: I
ticket prices...yea, sucks to have to pay a higher amount once you know you want to go after an initial line-up is announced. thing is, the interest is there already, he doesn't need to have one when tickets go on sale. people just want to have fun(to each their own however they achieve it) with their friends. the increase in prices is kind of justifiable, he has to make money. some getting tickets for what? $100 a day? 2 day attendance was around 64k from what I heard. $6.4M if all paid that, wouldn't be enough to take care of expenses of the production, talent(flight, hotel, their trailer needs), staff, city, security, med staff and so on. increase has to happen to make enough for the next one. |
I just want to know how you know what their finances are. How do you have any clue as to what their revenue and expenses were? It's hard to imagine they didn't make any money. They've been in Orlando in 2011 and 2012 for the same festival -- if the thing doesn't make money, why would they keep holding them each year? Attendance was at least as good as last year, if not better. Remember they make a lot of money off concessions as well. |
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