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| Looney4Clooney |
| the contempt in your original post was palpable. You are acting like Glee was cancelled. Perhaps look at what prompted the insult and then reflect on whether the insult was something i believe or a jab to piss you off. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
the contempt in your original post was palpable. You are acting like Glee was cancelled. Perhaps look at what prompted the insult and then reflect on whether the insult was something i believe or a jab to piss you off. |
That's fair, i was being rather sassy. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
never praised Windows 8
Never made an argument except defending the overall unease most people that need a workstation computer , do not own a mega studio and seem to not be sure of apple's future. I think i have been rather candid praising apple were they don't up. The new audio chained for IOS is great. But when something falls short, i do not suffer from buyer bias. I have no loyalty to any of these companies. Only the bund.
And people in audio have only recently been updating to anything later than 10.6. Guess what ? 4 years for the final build.
Given the snail pace apple is taking with audio related stuff, I have never had to consider a pc. But considering i could of purchased the new mac pro , the issue is not money. There are features i want that seem to only exist with apps PC seems to have.
I have also been getting into GFX. That is an area that was owned by apple. Nobody that does very heavy processing uses a mac. I wish it was possible.
I think you A , need to use that energy you used laughing your ass off and reduce the suck of your music, and b |
I hate to say this Richie, but I think you're living in a bubble using incredibly limited info for your opinions on this one.
Your argument that mac has "had it" for pro users relies on the suggestion that there is a better platform which is somehow overtaking OSX. Where is this platform? Windows 7? No. It may be solid but no more solid than (as Sean points out) the same age version of ISX, with the massive difference that OSX has a fraction of maintenance issues and zero chance for virus etc.
Now there's mavericks, and a new mac pro (which by all accounts is going to be a game changer - but more on that later) imminent I can't think of another time in the last 5 years that the Pro field has had so much to look forward to in terms of development specifically for them?
In terms of graphics, the really high end has always either been proprietary Avid systems (like smoke and fire systems for post prod, titling and animation) which only used mac a dormant host like PTHD did, or custom silicon graphics machines which are even further removed from PC than one of the aforementioned mac/avid systems.
with my business, I work without 5 different designers for various things from tangible retail products, print layouts to webdesign. Only one of them even owns a PC and that's for personal use. Every single one of them is either on a mac pro or Imac with large Apple displays.
But now back to Apple catering for pros:
It looks like the graphics cards are going to be interchangeable; there will be a proprietary connector to allow the swapping out of graphics cards. If true, then that means they really have thought about their pro users and it's not a "disposable / games machine" that the naysayers are trying to brand it with. |
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| tehlord |
| The only real downer from Apple in terms of music is the complete lack of anything remotely exciting in the world of Logic. I guess they look at all the other hosts and wonder why they bother with the creation and support of such complex pieces of software when there is a) so much competition and b) so little relative profit compared with a cheap app. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
The only real downer from Apple in terms of music is the complete lack of anything remotely exciting in the world of Logic.
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Uhh... Haven't you seen Drummer? This is real innovation. You can even choose the drummer by name. Gavin is my favourite. |
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| TranceElevation |
21:42 Ops...
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| junkproject |
Not deadmau5 fan, but the surface 2 pro having usb3.0 and being able to install x86\64bit desktop apps is a plus.
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
The only real downer from Apple in terms of music is the complete lack of anything remotely exciting in the world of Logic. I guess they look at all the other hosts and wonder why they bother with the creation and support of such complex pieces of software when there is a) so much competition and b) so little relative profit compared with a cheap app. |
Well, I think the midi plugins are pretty exciting. Sure you can do them in other programs or do them previously by somehow mastering the Environment within logic, but it does make work flow a lot faster and stacks seem to open a big creative area.
I will say this though (and I may start another thread on it), that audio technology has peaked. There's not going to be those massive developments like we saw in the 80's with the Portstudio that let people overdub at home, or with the age of the sampler which can be largly accredited with the birth of house as we know it.
I was having a conversation the other night with a well known pop producer about technology, and we were tlaking about iphones; I challenged him to tell me one unique thing that an Iphone 5 does that the iphone 1 didn't that isn't jest the addition of an existing technology.
He couldn't. Since my first flip phone in 1995, all that's changed is the ability to run apps but even then you can argue a phone just incorporated personal computing - other than that, the only chnages are just minor incremental changes; batter life, processors, screens all getting better.
There's actually no innovation apart from combining existing technologies in to ever smaller devices (such as GPS or acceleratometer chips which have been around for 20+ years).
In that respect, what can a daw developer do that doesn't already exist? It's just combining other things now, not actually making anything new in terms of function.
And here is where large manufacturers of DAW's are going to see a struggle - there are so many small plug manufacturers just focussing on pushing their little niche developments areas forward, unless the big boys start swallowing up these little companies (a la instagram by facebook or tmblr by yahoo) they'll never be able to keep up in all those disparate directions.
Personally, the bug fixes (which are part of life with any software), ipad remote, midi fx and stacks were enough of an improvement over LP9 to make it a very worthy successor. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Well, I think the midi plugins are pretty exciting. Sure you can do them in other programs or do them previously by somehow mastering the Environment within logic, but it does make work flow a lot faster and stacks seem to open a big creative area.
I will say this though (and I may start another thread on it), that audio technology has peaked. There's not going to be those massive developments like we saw in the 80's with the Portstudio that let people overdub at home, or with the age of the sampler which can be largly accredited with the birth of house as we know it.
I was having a conversation the other night with a well known pop producer about technology, and we were tlaking about iphones; I challenged him to tell me one unique thing that an Iphone 5 does that the iphone 1 didn't that isn't jest the addition of an existing technology.
He couldn't. Since my first flip phone in 1995, all that's changed is the ability to run apps but even then you can argue a phone just incorporated personal computing - other than that, the only chnages are just minor incremental changes; batter life, processors, screens all getting better.
There's actually no innovation apart from combining existing technologies in to ever smaller devices (such as GPS or acceleratometer chips which have been around for 20+ years).
In that respect, what can a daw developer do that doesn't already exist? It's just combining other things now, not actually making anything new in terms of function.
And here is where large manufacturers of DAW's are going to see a struggle - there are so many small plug manufacturers just focussing on pushing their little niche developments areas forward, unless the big boys start swallowing up these little companies (a la instagram by facebook or tmblr by yahoo) they'll never be able to keep up in all those disparate directions.
Personally, the bug fixes (which are part of life with any software), ipad remote, midi fx and stacks were enough of an improvement over LP9 to make it a very worthy successor. |
Whilst there's some truth in this, I think there's still plenty of mileage to be had in creating new instruments and effects that are integral to something like Logic.
For a start you have modelling synths like Diva and Lush that DO sound better than what's gone before. Why no ES3? There's also a plethora of saturation and modelling strips doing the rounds right now that DO sound better with them on (for the most part). I don't know why Apple (or Steinberg for that matter) didn't go the whole hog and create the option to use a fully modelled console instead of the Logic mixer. It would also help sell the upgrade to off a shovel Mac Pros.
Then there's the updates to EXS24, Ultrabeat etc that could have happened but didn't.
And no fix to the panning? Really?
Automation is a mess compared to something like Cubase too imo. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
Whilst there's some truth in this, I think there's still plenty of mileage to be had in creating new instruments and effects that are integral to something like Logic.
For a start you have modelling synths like Diva and Lush that DO sound better than what's gone before. Why no ES3? There's also a plethora of saturation and modelling strips doing the rounds right now that DO sound better with them on (for the most part). I don't know why Apple (or Steinberg for that matter) didn't go the whole hog and create the option to use a fully modelled console instead of the Logic mixer. It would also help sell the upgrade to off a shovel Mac Pros.
Then there's the updates to EXS24, Ultrabeat etc that could have happened but didn't.
And no fix to the panning? Really?
Automation is a mess compared to something like Cubase too imo. |
Yeah, I do agree with that; I would love to see a plugin that is a giant modular desk, that you could swap out individual modules/parts/strips/busses/etc or use the plugs individually.
As for the other plugs, that goes in to what I was saying earlier; unless they bought u-he or others, I don't believe they could keep up, especially when you factor in individual plug in support.
As for EXS24 and ultrabeat - I have a feeling those are going to be discontinued in upcoming versions and samplers will be better integrated in the arrange window. I find both of them utterly counter-intuitive and frankly they are looking old fashioned compaed to other stand alone sampler and drum sequencer options these days.
The bus panning is a a total up though. In some ways, I would switch to cubase as technically speaking (although it's heavily debatable) it may have the edge on certain advanced function, but I completely refuse to when:
A) pay $500 when there are 3 other major and just as comparable daws for substantially less money (less than half for LPX)
B) force me to use a $30 ing dongle, even just to trial the damn thing.
C) use a slightly less efficient combination of platform and computer resulting in less efficient processing (Logic track counts, disk usage and processing spikes are proven to be far more efficient, pound for pound, that running cubase on a mac or PC - i.e. you'll have to get a more powerful computer to do the same thing in cubase compared to logic). |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I hate to say this Richie, but I think you're living in a bubble using incredibly limited info for your opinions on this one.
Your argument that mac has "had it" for pro users relies on the suggestion that there is a better platform which is somehow overtaking OSX. Where is this platform? Windows 7? No. It may be solid but no more solid than (as Sean points out) the same age version of ISX, with the massive difference that OSX has a fraction of maintenance issues and zero chance for virus etc.
Now there's mavericks, and a new mac pro (which by all accounts is going to be a game changer - but more on that later) imminent I can't think of another time in the last 5 years that the Pro field has had so much to look forward to in terms of development specifically for them?
In terms of graphics, the really high end has always either been proprietary Avid systems (like smoke and fire systems for post prod, titling and animation) which only used mac a dormant host like PTHD did, or custom silicon graphics machines which are even further removed from PC than one of the aforementioned mac/avid systems.
with my business, I work without 5 different designers for various things from tangible retail products, print layouts to webdesign. Only one of them even owns a PC and that's for personal use. Every single one of them is either on a mac pro or Imac with large Apple displays.
But now back to Apple catering for pros:
It looks like the graphics cards are going to be interchangeable; there will be a proprietary connector to allow the swapping out of graphics cards. If true, then that means they really have thought about their pro users and it's not a "disposable / games machine" that the naysayers are trying to brand it with. |
i'm currently living in Montreal which is oddly a rather important hub in CGI for hollywood films. They are all using pcs. They were all using macs 4 years ago. The trend is pretty obvious. What you are referring to is tracking or things that can be accomplished with as you mentioned systems that don't really need the processing a pc can do.
And then their are the video game guys. An industry that dwarfs hollywood. All made on pcs. Basically, if you are doing anything interesting that requires a lot of processing, you aren't using a mac lately. I'v had conversations about it with the heads of guys doing design for some of the biggest selling games. mac is so far behind that they find the concept funny. Granted i'm sure there is a nerd ego bias thing to that.
I shouldn't say all but the trend is going that way and as I said, anyone updating this year will have a harder time deciding. This was as non issue in 2010.
My argument is that macs cost benefit ratio compared to pcs has significantly been reduced in the last year or 2. And speaking of Hollywood, that industry is going to have a little recession in about 3-4 years. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Yeah, I do agree with that; I would love to see a plugin that is a giant modular desk, that you could swap out individual modules/parts/strips/busses/etc or use the plugs individually.
As for the other plugs, that goes in to what I was saying earlier; unless they bought u-he or others, I don't believe they could keep up, especially when you factor in individual plug in support.
As for EXS24 and ultrabeat - I have a feeling those are going to be discontinued in upcoming versions and samplers will be better integrated in the arrange window. I find both of them utterly counter-intuitive and frankly they are looking old fashioned compaed to other stand alone sampler and drum sequencer options these days.
The bus panning is a a total up though. In some ways, I would switch to cubase as technically speaking (although it's heavily debatable) it may have the edge on certain advanced function, but I completely refuse to when:
A) pay $500 when there are 3 other major and just as comparable daws for substantially less money (less than half for LPX)
B) force me to use a $30 ing dongle, even just to trial the damn thing.
C) use a slightly less efficient combination of platform and computer resulting in less efficient processing (Logic track counts, disk usage and processing spikes are proven to be far more efficient, pound for pound, that running cubase on a mac or PC - i.e. you'll have to get a more powerful computer to do the same thing in cubase compared to logic). |
Well with the resources Apple have they could have bought out Slate, U-he AND Native Instruments and not even noticed. The point is that Logic X could, or maybe should have been released as Logic 9.5 given the lack of any real innovation or change, but it clearly shows their lack of commitment to the 'pro' side of the industry.
The new Mac Pro is also aimed squarely at the prosumer market. They have added a dash of Beats by Dre to the aura of the machine, although the machine itself is still clearly a capable device unlike the headphones I compared them to.
As for Hollywood going into recession, it serves them right. Each new trailer I see is exactly the same. Same style, same music, same epic, same scowling acting, same SFX, same screaming, same growled one liners, same overuse of Heavyocity Damage...... |
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