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Mac OSX mavericks is out, free. (pg. 4)
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| Looney4Clooney |
| certain parts of hollywood. TV will be doing better so you will still get all that ty music lol |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i'm currently living in Montreal which is oddly a rather important hub in CGI for hollywood films. They are all using pcs. They were all using macs 4 years ago. The trend is pretty obvious.
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That may well be true, but CGI as a whole has always been far more PC centered; at the really high end of things where scan/refresh rates and FPS were crucial, they always relied on cutting edge, sometimes even manufacturer overclocked proprietary video cards that Apple have simply never supported as a platform. In the past, AMD and Intel made mac specific version of the video cards which were high end and extremely capable, but not bleeding edge tech which is what those guys rely on.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
What you are referring to is tracking or things that can be accomplished with as you mentioned systems that don't really need the processing a pc can do.
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I'm talking about being rock solid, low maintenance with zero downtime. That hasn't changed in audio and that's why for this discussion I'm suggesting that Mac haven't lost ground - as of about 4-5 years ago processing power has become a mute (sic) point as the track counts were getting so high, unless you were doing mix sessions for RFK ;) you just didn't need more power. We now have more processing power than we can write (efficient) code for.
Going back to that discussion with the pop producer I mentioned earlier, he said I can fully produce a hit song, going up to 120/130 tracks (which is all he ever needs) on his MBP with the buffer down to 128. What the more do you need? We've topped out in this respect so what we need is stability and macs still rule by a long way. For instance PTHD only runs on a few particular brands of laptop and even then it's all the usual windows bull.
Granted, composing/producing really advanced , it comes down to preference of platform but no one taken the lead. Ableton sequencer is a toy, Cubase is great but has many workflow flaws as does logic.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
And then their are the video game guys. An industry that dwarfs hollywood. All made on pcs. Basically, if you are doing anything interesting that requires a lot of processing, you aren't using a mac lately. I'v had conversations about it with the heads of guys doing design for some of the biggest selling games. mac is so far behind that they find the concept funny. Granted i'm sure there is a nerd ego bias thing to that.
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It hardly dwarfs hollywood (I mean, the industry just had it's very first $1B title whereas Hollywood is up to number 17) but it is a big market.
The games market has always been PC's. 99% of development is there as all the programming genius kids are strictly raised on a diet LED bejizzled, watercooled spunktowers they make themselves in their basement bedrooms underneath their parent's chinese take out. I don't know a single guy that got in to that field that had macs, or ever own macs.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I shouldn't say all but the trend is going that way and as I said, anyone updating this year will have a harder time deciding. This was as non issue in 2010.
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I hear you and agree. It used to be an absolute no brainer that audio = mac. Again, I think the slowing of moores law and lac of pro updates hasn't helped but for studio use, I just see everyone abandoning Mac.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
My argument is that macs cost benefit ratio compared to pcs has significantly been reduced in the last year or 2. And speaking of Hollywood, that industry is going to have a little recession in about 3-4 years. |
Most certainly. The cost benefit of certain macs have alway been in question and I've said it countless times before, but the mac pros are one of the worst value products out there in terms of straight up processing performance. They were designed and built beautifully and a few years ago, they were capable of smoking most PC's but in the last 6 years they stagnated while PC's got more powerful.
Hollywood Recession? Not sure :conf: Talent rates are going down and studios like New Line who thought they could run with the big boys because of one big title got their arse handed to them but the margins are so ing big on hits that it just doesn't matter. Disney's had 3 colossal flops in the last 18 months and they're still not scared to spend the really big money on developing titles.
Oh just saw the addition. TV will be doing better but House of Cards has scared the out of a lot of studios. No pilot would = about $400m million less a year spent on titles that never see the light of day. That's a big hit for the industry.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lordy
Well with the resources Apple have they could have bought out Slate, U-he AND Native Instruments and not even noticed. The point is that Logic X could, or maybe should have been released as Logic 9.5 given the lack of any real innovation or change, but it clearly shows their lack of commitment to the 'pro' side of the industry.
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They certainly have the money but I'm not sure all the divisions of support they would need to go along with it would be worth it. Given the past history of updates (with exception of 7 to 8) I'd say this was pretty much in keeping with a major update - Although there were only a few major changes, it was too much to be a 9.x IMO. I'm not sure they want to own all these sofysynth companies anyway as you're just bringing in small profit businesses in to the fold - it's probably not worth it for them.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lordy
The new Mac Pro is also aimed squarely at the prosumer market. They have added a dash of Beats by Dre to the aura of the machine, although the machine itself is still clearly a capable device unlike the headphones I compared them to.
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I firmly agree. I think they realize it's a mugs game to try to keep up with the real bleeding edge of the PC market which due to it's incredibly modular nature, has product cycle times a fraction of Apple, let alone the Mac pro cycle (which is at the 5 year mark now).
I think they understood that the market share is not with PC geeks building their own system (and shopping for parts from various sources to drill the price down by a few bucks) - the larger and viable market share for a "pro" computers that warrants a high price tag, is the prosumer field. I still think the vast majority (including studios) that were happy with their mac pros, will buy these new ones.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lordy
As for Hollywood going into recession, it serves them right. Each new trailer I see is exactly the same. Same style, same music, same epic, same scowling acting, same SFX, same screaming, same growled one liners, same overuse of Heavyocity Damage......
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Trudat.....but the industry is self correcting in someways; you keep making turkey's the money men step in and heads roll, then they start looking for better content. I think the days of bad films making huge money based on hype and CGI are done, thankfully. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
so i bought a pc. jesus ing titty christ. I mean what a pita to get it set up. I mean once that ids done , its not so bad. but me.
Mostly got it for graphics stuff but will use it as a node to run things i can't run on a mac. I tell you i bought all the cameras from this film studio. cameras, rigging, stands , lights like everything. right now i'm just shooting me dancing and replacing the background soul train. |
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| TranceElevation |
| Pics or it didn't happ.. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| oh my computer? lol. oh the film stuff. Why the would anyone make that up. These aren't ing red digital cameras and remote controlled gaffing and lighting. ITs enough to should a really ing intense gang bang with some fast edits. |
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| itsamemario |
| Yeah, why would anyone make that up? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
oh my computer? lol. oh the film stuff. Why the would anyone make that up. These aren't ing red digital cameras and remote controlled gaffing and lighting. ITs enough to should a really ing intense gang bang with some fast edits. |
Party at your house this weekend then? I think you should try to make Montreal the Porn capital of Canada. You could score it live (think real time sound stage) and I'll engineer and serve cocktails. I may even cameo from time time. I've got some good material too. "Hi, I've come to lay some cable". |
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| tehlord |
Well I've pretty much decided to keep my main DAW PC and just use a Mini or iMac for Logic. Logic will never be my main host anyway and it's just for video stuff and maybe collaborative work, as Logic is great for that.
I wonder where the Mini's will go next. |
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| DJ RANN |
| Yeah, I think that will be interesting; if they could lower the price and/or seriously been them up then they could be interesting. I personally can't justfy one as I think the imac is better value all around (by the time you buy a screen etc). If they knocked a $200 of the price tag then I might consider.... |
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| tehlord |
Well tbh I'm happy going for one of those AOC/Hazro budget 27 inch IPS screens as they're basically the same as the iMac ones anyway.
Out of interest (and not worth an entire new thread) have you got any experience with the Thunderbolt expansion bays like the Belkin one? My audio interfacing is likely to remain firewire for the foreseeable and I'm a little dubious about running a firewire connection through a hub. The only other option is a TB-FW adaptor, but I don't know how reliable they are either. |
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| Lagrangian |
Mac OSX Mavericks ain't bad, It's free so there you go. Sucks lots of RAM. At 8 GB Max RAM, it runs Xcode and GIMP together with Chrome at 4GB! Considering upgrading to 14GB-16GB of RAM.
Not entirely sold on this Operating System. I'm starting to get very critical of Apple, but unfortunately there is nothing out there to marketably compete with it yet, except perhaps Linux in the future, which I do run on my EC2. |
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| Lagrangian |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
. We now have more processing power than we can write (efficient) code for.
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Incorrect, I did end up reading the whole of your post, but I merely did so because I know you're a good guy. Are you a Software Engineer or Architect? You must be referring to high-level language. If you really want speed, go with Eager Haskell and/or good ol' Assembly.
I would like to hear your take on why Apple chose ARM instead of MIPS. I am building Hardware, and I've chose Imagination's toolbox. I'm very excited for the future of MIPS in the mobile graphics industry which I'm mostly focused on.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I was having a conversation the other night with a well known pop producer about technology, and we were tlaking about iphones; I challenged him to tell me one unique thing that an Iphone 5 does that the iphone 1 didn't that isn't jest the addition of an existing technology.
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Again, incorrect, very broad-argument based on partial accuracy. For one, newer iPhones are harder to hack. I could easily access the BUS on iPhone1. A task which appears almost impossible in new iPhones, but extremely easy to do on Android. |
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