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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I could name 15 guys are better grafitti artist, but that's not the point of why Bansky is so popular or his art is so well received. |
Because he creates facile visual aphorisms that provide people with the self-congratulatory delusion of political awareness? |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| I bought 5 different Bansky t-shirts J. Defend 'till I die. Look good trying. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EarnYourKeep
you don't want to get into it with me on art homie, i know exactly what im talking about
state side no one cared to know banksy even after west bank, as I said before I'm more of a robbo guy. Sculptures and Pencil's? You're going to tell me a london phone booth is at the top of his revered work? 2006 sotheby fetched 1.8 for the hirst piece
he's still NOT ANYWHERE near the interest of the artist I like, regardless of the price, regardless of his message, regardless of him putting a stand in CP selling his art for $60 when it's auction value suprasses 6 digits. I frankly don't care for him...
kaws, koons, murakami, retna, futura, and a whole cast of others have way more of an artform that can be appreciated outside of displaying politically inciting works of art
in other words, is lame and it's ok if you like it and want to defend it, you lame also |
Oh but I do want to get in to it "homie". I just got back from an art tour of new york. Private ing tour of the Met. (yes just our group before the plebs were allowed in).
I'm glad you brought up Koons. We also had a private tour of the Whitney's last day (The most comprehensive koonz exhibition to date - which was really quite crap and
I have to say he is probably one of the most overrated and over priced artists).
I'd love to know how "no one knew who banksy was" when he was literally plastered all over LA prior to you stumbling across old hat.
It's great that you completely missed the point of of the Banksy pieces being completely anonymous and being sold as random street art (I won't bother explaining it to you).
You bring up hirst. Very interesting that you're tieing you're argument to value. Guess which Artist has had the steepest drop in value over the last 3 years? Collectors are dumping that while they still can and it was recently reported that 1/3 of all hirst works have actually failed to sell at Auction since 2009.
Personal taste is one thing but don't presume to lecture on a subject you know all about. I get the feeling from what you just wrote, that you don't know about art. Do you actually own any?
| quote: | Originally posted by J
Because he creates facile visual aphorisms that provide people with the self-congratulatory delusion of political awareness? |
That's as cynical a narrative as it is coarsely generalizing of his works. His work is sometimes clever in sometimes very obvious ways. Conceptually, some are brilliantly obvious and conversely, some are as trite as they are ingenious.
Again, I can name many artists that conceptually are have far more genius (Swiss Artist Raetz for instance) but it's the obviousness which is cunning. I'm no die hard Banksy fan but some of his works really do have that "it's so obvious but how come no one else thought of it". |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| It's not generalising his work so much as generalising his appeal. Some of his stuff is indeed conceptually inventive, but he has a reputation as some radical political commentator when he actually offers the same level of insight as a broadsheet cartoon. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'm no die hard Banksy fan but some of his works really do have that "it's so obvious but how come no one else thought of it". |
That's what often makes a good artist. There are plenty of works in the documentary which have nothing to do with politics or stencils, either.
Not to call him a genius, but to quote Solyaris: "It was Gibarian's invention. So simple, like all genius."
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Private ing tour of the Met. (yes just our group before the plebs were allowed in). |
Wow. A bit of art critic snobbery there? :p
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's not generalising his work so much as generalising his appeal. Some of his stuff is indeed conceptually inventive, but he has a reputation as some radical political commentator when he actually offers the same level of insight as a broadsheet cartoon. |
There will always be people who take art too seriously and not for what it actually is. As a daring and creative street artist, however, I definitely see the appeal, all "political undertones" and supposed "statements" aside. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I get the feeling from what you just wrote, that you don't know about art. Do you actually own any? |
To be fair, you don't need to own any art to know anything about it. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Bro, do you even collect? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
To be fair, you don't need to own any art to know anything about it. |
True, but owning some (whatever it may be) usually denotes you know something. At least enough to make a decision to part with money for something you like.
That's the thing about armchair art critics; It's all very well to sit there and wax about how crap or good a piece or artist is, but would you actually part with money for it?
| quote: | Originally posted by A*rd
That's what often makes a good artist. There are plenty of works in the documentary which have nothing to do with politics or stencils, either.
Not to call him a genius, but to quote Solyaris: "It was Gibarian's invention. So simple, like all genius."
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Well said. Please see Pryda for further details ;) |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| You are talking utter bollocks there, RANN. Any status-seeking nouveau riche wanker can splash out on a piece of without knowing their Cubism from their Vorticism. If there's any yardstick of knowing what you're talking about, it's having some formal education in the arts. And the only real measure of worth when it comes to someone's opinion on art is listening to what they actually have to say about a piece. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| There will always be a difference between an art critic and an artist. One talks and makes up all sorts of , while the other walks and creates all sorts of . Gotta have that balance, I guess. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You are talking utter bollocks there, RANN. Any status-seeking nouveau riche wanker can splash out on a piece of without knowing their Cubism from their Vorticism. If there's any yardstick of knowing what you're talking about, it's having some formal education in the arts. And the only real measure of worth when it comes to someone's opinion on art is listening to what they actually have to say about a piece. |
All of this. Except the part about Cubism vs Vorticism, because I've never fully understood the difference :o |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You are talking utter bollocks there, RANN. Any status-seeking nouveau riche wanker can splash out on a piece of without knowing their Cubism from their Vorticism. If there's any yardstick of knowing what you're talking about, it's having some formal education in the arts. And the only real measure of worth when it comes to someone's opinion on art is listening to what they actually have to say about a piece. |
Well duh, anyone with money can buy art, and if you read my post you'll see that what I'm getting at is that usually denotes you know something about art. I'm not talking about the very few, i.e. 1% who buy art as an investment or just to show off. That's a minority.
I'm talking about the average person who buys because they like it. It's actually usually a measure of some interest and frankly, if you're willing to part with your hard earned, then chances are then you know something about art.
All the people that I know who have bought art, have more than a passing interest. My comment is more that I find it interesting that there's a ton of people who will bang on about how much they know about art (usually from from seeing a very scratch-the-surface documentary) but have never actually ponied up to buy even a local artist's work for nothing more than you'd spend on a night at the pub.
Formal education say, in art history, helps but it's absurd to think that's what's needed. I know people that know more than most museum guides and gallery employees, yet they're lawyers, musicians and chefs with no formal art education whatsoever.
I have no formal art education (except a GCSE in art and A level in Design) but I'd say I'm pretty well self-educated on most periods of art. |
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