I have nothing against drum machines
I find people performing in front of them choosing patterns utterly lame.
And most dance music samples real drummers so i would disagree with your statement that the drum machine was needed.
either produce, or perform. But for the love of god realize when you combine both, you always look like a mega twat.
Sure, but no was talking about performance art until you brought it up? I'll agree a guy standing in front of a drum machine in a club is just as dull as a guy standing in front of a laptop to DJ.
But again, I have no idea what this has to do with the legitimacy of a drum machine or it's place as foundational element of dance music?
But you lot all cary on with your live performance fight.
Not my battle lol.
AlphaStarred
Well, since most dance music samples real drummers, I guess you won't be needing that drum machine, after all.
Mr.Mystery
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'll agree a guy standing in front of a drum machine in a club is just as dull as a guy standing in front of a laptop to DJ.
And who goes to the club to watch either?
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
lol, you say it like drum machines weren't the very foundation of all dance music. I mean, we quite literally would not have house music if it was not for drum machines, and frankly I'd prefer to make music on a drum machine than do what Brian Eno abhorred the most; people sitting in cubicles, painting notes in with a mouse.
V drums are great and all but we're making dance music. It really isn't rocket science. I don't have time for all the goat farming, if you know what I mean.
people didn't start dancing in the 80s.
Disco was the foundation for house. All those guyswere trying to make disco music.
And ya, dance music. Having an actual groove is generally what people dance to. Machines don't do that so well.
But this is really not the part I care about. The reason djinn is less lame is that they understand that they are a jukebox where as live pa essentially presses play oin a sequencer and call it live performance. And I would agree pretty much everyone performing in the EDM circuit is a twat.
DJ RANN
Yes, and dancing didn't magically happen for the first time when proto-disco dropped. It's the closest link to to a pure form genre that was a predecessor.
No drum machine, no sampler = no house. We'd still be wearing flares (well, you do anyway) so it's not out of the real to say that drum machines were the foundation of dance music. It meant you didn't need 38 people on stage to play a track. That was the crucial difference. One gay man and a bunch of equipment and we had gay dance music.
you're right on the groove bit; very few machines actually do real groove (ironically the RS7000 in question, can actually map real grooves).
And I'm with you that most live equipment performances do suck; they;re not actually playing live, it's just triggering sequences. BT's "live" performances mainly used to comprise of a few piano lines being played over playback. Even orbital have never been that thrilling to watch although i'll give them they are actually working a lot harder to make the tracks on the spot. Most of the time though, it's just pressing play on the artists greatest hits album
Looney4Clooney
so just leave performing to perfomers.
THere is nothing more live that doing a live pa set. The contrary. It is more planned out than any dj set. I just don't get it other than some people to somehow be more legit and have a hate for djs and end up doing something even lamer.
My issue is with people calling this a live perfomance and keeping a straight face. You are still micro djing except you are only playing your ty patterns. And that is usually the issue in that most djs have the sensibility to play good music were as these s with their machines think what they are doing even if it sucks doesn't suck because it isn't djing.
never said a thing about samplers. I think that had a much more important role in forging modern electronic dance music. That and the commodore running cubase
I just find it annoying when people that are good at producing don't realize that performing is another skill. And as a result, you have a bunch of producers that don't know what the they are doing in front of people. There are already enough ass hats vying to be an idiot on stage.
You like to use them to create . Fine. But the second you start to think , hey me standing here showing my patterns is not quite possibly the most retarded thing and a diservice to everyone else in the room , i think you are just perhaps a little disconnected. Djs play tracks , some of them you might know. nobody cares if you can press a button that plays a pattern nobody cares about
Anyone that would consider doing this would be smart enough to realize using audio clips and triggering those is just easier, more open and overal less stupid.
tehlord
See this here
It ain't the dude making the noise that's the douchebag, it's the skinny jean wearing s in front of him doing the Dad shuffle in the middle of the day.
Looney4Clooney
Rig, but he is facilitating all these idiot hipsters who think they are down with something special because it sounds underground which generally means ty enough to not become known. That is a sea of bull.
MSZ
I love it when that bald man touched that knob, the rush.
Sushipunk
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Originally posted by MSZ
I love it when bald men touch my knob, the rush.
