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UK Leaves EU! Pound Tanks! Trips To Berlin and Ibiza Ruined! (pg. 2)
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Education can still mean you're ing retarded, Lira. So sick of that superior attitude bull :P And this is coming from an educated person.
Not sure when educated people started being issued black belts in arrogance with their degrees :p |
"An education is useless without the wisdom to utilize it."
-some old guy, probably; maybe wore a toga. |
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| Alex |
Education is awesome. It's just funny how ridiculously arrogant a lot of educated people become, and even funnier that a fair few of them tell people they know what's best on a wide range of topics that may not even have been their area of study :p
In fact, that's really my only qualm with way more people getting an education. They don't stick to what they know, and instead offer "wisdom" and "knowledge" on topics they suck at. Thus why I always get pissed when I see charts showing what educated people chose to do, or how they voted vs what homo erectus Joe decided. Even though neanderthal Ned voted because his collection of small businesses evaporated because of a dumbass in power, or because he has worked in an industry for 40 years and knows it very well and can easily see what's going to happen as a result of a new policy but is dismissed because he didn't dick around for 3-4 years and graduated with Cs in Psychology. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Education can still mean you're ing retarded, Lira. So sick of that superior attitude bull :P And this is coming from an educated person.
Not sure when educated people started being issued black belts in arrogance with their degrees :p |
Oh, that was not my point. I was talking about age and it just so happens the file I found also included education (although I suspect you may use it as a proxy for class, so it could confirm when I said "working class" people mainly backed Brexit - which is true).
And I do agree with you, by the way. |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Oh, that was not my point. I was talking about age and it just so happens the file I found also included education (although I suspect you may use it as a proxy for class, so it could confirm when I said "working class" people mainly backed Brexit - which is true).
And I do agree with you, by the way. |
You agree with me? Fag! This is the INTERNET! What is this sorcery?!?!?
I bet you're playing mind games. What's your angle Lira? Were you at the most recent Bildeberg? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Alex Would like to hear what System-J thinks about this, as well as other UK TAs. |
Broadly speaking, this is what happens when you neglect and alienate the working classes. The vast majority of Leave votes came from poor parochial areas that have had their industries dismantled over the last 30 years, gutting many communities of the traditional source of jobs, income and security. Anyone who can get a university education leaves these areas as quickly as possible. We have a stratified society with two halves that don't communicate.
The real issue of this referendum is about immigration. A huge number of people are worried about the levels of immigration in the UK at a time when the government are cutting funding to public services year on year. People who are already scrabbling for low-paying jobs in deprived regions fear foreign workers who will do the job for even less money. Communities that have been largely unaltered for up to 100 years have been radically transformed by migrant influx. With free movement of workers in the EU, nobody could give them any assurances that this was under control or that it could be stopped if it went too far.
Both the Conservative government and Labour opposition have promised controls on immigration; promised to cut the numbers of net migration. But immigration has gone up and the Tories have drastically failed on their promise. Worse, both parties have failed to deliver any credible policy on how they would even go about reducing immigration whilst staying in the EU. So people fearing immigration were told that they were wrong to worry, or worse that they were simply bigoted, ignorant and racist.
In response, the Remain campaign failed to provide any positive argument for staying in the EU. Their message was largely centred on abstract issues like economics that weren't visible to the naked eye in the same way that immigration is. Their arguments of economic impact didn't have credibility to people who have just lived through the financial crisis and have lost all trust in economists and financial workers. In public debates, both sides lied and exaggerated their figures and their claims so much that the uninformed man on the street was left no wiser, and continued to stick with his gut feeling as a result.
What we found yesterday is there is an unheard and angry majority in this country who actually outnumber all the self-professed educated progressives. The solution to the problem is not to call them ignorant, racist knuckle-draggers. We really need to fix the problems with the neglected parts of the country, because people who are educated and financially secure don't tend to fear immigration or social change.
I'd recommend reading the articles John Harris has been writing in the Guardian on this subject, starting with this: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ity-westminster. Of all the commentators I've read, he's the one who "gets it" the most. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Does this mean you'll be filling in the chunnel or making it one way? Btw I shot Brexs when I heard the news. |
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| Trance-M |
I think it's stupid to vote for leaving or remaining while about everybody wants something in the middle, (or more or less EU).
Over here the result could have been the same and if we would have the choice between more or less EU regulation probably 80-90% would pick less.
I wonder how many leave voters already regret their choice now they start looking at the possible consequences. |
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| Alex |
Well, coming from a place where bureaucracy reigns supreme (and nothing ever gets done), I can't help but wonder whether that had a big part to play in all those leave voters decisions.
The only thing worse than an abundance of bureaucracy is an abundance of bureaucracy elsewhere that is taking forever to decide on something close to home.
I hope the next British PM reigns in Scotland and Northern Ireland before that turns ugly so that the EU can sort itself out without looking upon a break up of the UK as a sort of"I told you so", which would result in more complacency and lack of improvement for the EU. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
I doubt most people know a damn thing about EU bureaucracy. I heard a few people trot out the line about Brussels "passing laws that stop us doing things", but when I asked for an example of an EU-imposed law that negatively affected their lives, almost everyone drew a blank.
Although that said, my Dad voted to leave and he had a pretty strong argument. He had no interest in immigration one way or another, but as an electrical engineer he could give examples straight from his line of work where EU legislation had made life pointlessly difficult for him. He was the only person I've spoken to who could name specific legislation to back up his complaint.
The Scotland/NI thing is probably the biggest sickener about all of this. Scotland never truly got over their independence referendum in 2014, and this gives them an excellent argument to hold another one, which will almost certainly end up with them leaving the UK. The whole Union could come to an end in the next few years as a side-effect of this. At this moment I don't see how the government could talk them out of it. |
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| rubez |
my radio wakes me up in the morning. the very first thing i heard was underworld's born slippy. awesome.
i thought i didn't care one way or another, but when born slippy finished, the guy who is ruining top gear announced that the UK had voted to leave and i got an immediate sinking feeling in my stomach. it was a surprise certainly.
but i realise basically nothing is going to change. my life is going to be no different. so that brings me back to not giving a again... it's a distraction. nigel farage is seen as a slime ball, but i have seen him talk on issues other than immigration and find him interesting. i used to like it when he would get up in the EU parliament and trash talk to their faces.
i think the EU is bloated and has to justify its existence by meddling in a lot of stuff that doesn't need meddled with. and us paying them very handsome salaries to do so.
with their salty sour-grapes reaction to the result, they can go themselves. don't like that juncker guy.
cameron dun goofed. if scotland goes independent from this, his legacy will be a joke. this referendum was held because some internal conservative noise?! what a tit. scotland remaining in the EU seems more likely though, and that is what krankie is pushing for, somewhat surprisingly. she could have used it to further her independence agenda.
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| Lira |
Haha, thanks to Brexit, my first joke on Imgur made it to front page, yay :D
(jokes aside, it's just a reference to the chaos that ensued, I've got nothing against Brexit per se, though I hoped the UK would remain in the EU)| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
You agree with me? Fag! This is the INTERNET! What is this sorcery?!?!?
I bet you're playing mind games. What's your angle Lira? Were you at the most recent Bildeberg? |
Rumbled :(
I'm trying to convince you the UK should leave Europe for good... And then move to South America.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'd recommend reading the articles John Harris has been writing in the Guardian on this subject, starting with this: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ity-westminster. Of all the commentators I've read, he's the one who "gets it" the most. |
I've been devouring everything Brexit related since day one (to the point I wasn't exactly surprised by the result), and I thought you were going to mention Owen Jones, not John Harris.
Do you reckon that's why Jeremy Corbyn didn't embrace the Remain camp as much as politicians hoped he would? Would it alienate working class Labour voters from the North even more? Or am I well off the mark here? And what has been your dad's reaction to the news? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
No, no, no Lira. People like Jones and Corbyn are exactly why the British left have become completely detached from their traditional voters - poor people. The left now only speaks to cosmopolitan and metropolitan youth. The establishment right continues to over the poor. In the circumstances, Nigel Farage is the only politician who appeared to speak directly to the concerns of the ordinary people.
Corbyn has absolutely no idea how to connect with working class voters. He's pissing away what's left of Labour's vote share every day. Their own internal polling shows that up to 30% of their voters in last year's election wouldn't vote for them right now. He's been elected by an online campaign of young, university educated social justice advocates who are simply not large enough a demographic to win an election, and are too self-contained on social media to understand why.
The reason Corbyn put no effort in to the referendum campaign is because he's a life long Eurosceptic. He sees it as a neo-liberal construct that favours the elite. |
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