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Friday 161: General Strike in Brazil (pg. 4)
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| Midlothian |
| Seatbelt on the bike would probably be a good idea for the many non-Dutch I see who haven't actually grown up cycling |
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| Jon_Snow |
Is it such a surprise Jack is hard headed on and off line.
Speaking of head gear looks like Lebron isn’t ready to relinquish his.
I was looking for a good stout picked up a pack of Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout on a whim. Fantastic stuff!! |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Something about counting chickens... |
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In my defence, I hedged my bet with "if LeBron is still out of breath". He wasn't. I mean, the Celtics had a clear lead until the 3rd quarter, and then it unravelled. Collapsed. And the Cavs were all out of Love, which makes the whole thing unreal.
LeBron James nearly score twice as much as his best teammate. No wonder Brad Stevens said blocking him was "a joke", heh.
I just wish there was some sort of third place playoff series between the Celtics and whoever loses the Western conference tonight :( |
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| Jon_Snow |
If the NBA stretched out the playoffs any further they be in danger of overlapping next season. Jordan was the same way back in the day he would will his team to win in the 4th quarter
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
It's actually against the law to ride without a helmet here. $126 fine. |
The rate of cycling fatalities actually increased in Western Australia after this law was passed, while the rate of cycling declined by almost 30%, which I would say makes it a pretty counter-productive law.
| quote: | | ...in the state of Western Australia where bicycle helmets have been mandatory for all ages since July 1992, the annual cyclist death toll from 1987 to 1991 (pre-law) averaged 7.6 fatalities per year. From 1993 to 1997 (post-law) it was 6.4 fatalities per year, representing a 16% reduction (Meuleners, Gavin and Cercarelli, 2003). However, Government cycling surveys show cycling declined in Western Australia by approximately 30% during the 1990s following mandatory helmet law enforcement (WA, 1; WA, 2). Thus, relative to cycle use, fatalities went up, not down. |
http://cyclehelmets.org/1209.html
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Thick skin or not, my helmet certainly saved me from being out in the Kentucky countryside with a bleeding brain and no amount of statistics on head injuries will convince me that a helmet shouldn't always be worn when cycling. Same reason I always wear my seatbelt. |
I somehow doubt you wear your seatbelt when reversing your car into the garage at 2mph. You can do whatever you want on your bike, especially as you seem to be extremely accident-prone, but I reserve the right to do whatever I want on my bike without you calling me a "complete idiot". |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You'll find me very annoying, then. I don't even own a helmet and I commute by bike.
There's actually very little statistical support for the safety benefits of wearing a helmet. A lot of the data suggests that they cause as many neck injuries as they prevent head injuries, that they encourage motorists to drive more carelessly around the wearer, and even that pedestrians are more likely to suffer head injuries than cyclists. |
Sorry, but what in the actual name of are you talking about "There's actually very little statistical support for the safety benefits of wearing a helmet."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2598379/
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...-70-study-finds
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1068.html
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...001457500000488
Here's also a great and detailed debunking of the anti-helmet argument:
http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/th...-helmet-paradox
yes, you might be able dredge up the odd study that suggests that helmets give some people a false sense of security, and some studies that show if Truck is going to roll over you, a 1" styrofoam hat isn't going to save your life.
But there's 30+ years of data, and literally hundreds of studies and meta studies that show overwhelmingly that head injuries are avoided or reduced when wearing a helmet.
All of the studies that suggest not wearing a helmet venter around one or two studies (one from bath uni in 2006 and another from 1989) but they drew flawed conclusions and the main crux of their argument was that people cycle with false sense of security and thus could take risks, but they both conceded that helmets save you in situations out of your control, like a car cutting you up etc,
You're also confusing the fact that legislation doesn't necessarily help, whereas helmets themselves do.
So to say there's very little statistical data is idiotically ignorant.
Anecdotally, I'm alive twice over because of helmets, once while commuting (as I did for 5+ years in brutal central London traffic) and once off road during a horrific multibike pile up at 40mph where my head hit someone's back so hard it popped their shoulder right out of the socket. It would have cracked my skull like an egg. And there there's all the other accidents I've personally witnessed where the helmet has saved a serious head injury. |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I somehow doubt you wear your seatbelt when reversing your car into the garage at 2mph. You can do whatever you want on your bike, especially as you seem to be extremely accident-prone, but I reserve the right to do whatever I want on my bike without you calling me a "complete idiot". |
Extremely accident prone with a whopping 2.5 months experience with riding? Good thing you know all about my training habits and routes. To me it seems like you wouldn't know anything about cycling because any serious cyclist who does 50km+ rides on a regular basis wouldn't be caught dead without a helmet. Also funny how you can dish out insults to everyone you encounter but once it's given back to you, you whine about thick skin. I'll tell you what thick skin is, it's being 20 miles into a 30 mile route through hills, forests and flat lands, having a serious accident involving a sprained wrist, possible concussion, and a hurt shoulder and hip and then banging out the last 10 miles anyway.
It's perfectly fine for any of the Europeans in this thread to say "oi m8 I just hop on the old spokes and ride 10km to the pub without a helmet and I'm fine!" It's a lifestyle you and anyone else are accustomed to and you are perfectly within your right to do so. I wish I lived in an area where bikes were so abundant. And perhaps we are talking about two different types of riders here. Ones that ride a leisurely 10 km/hr as a mode of transportation, and competitive ones. I would wager you will find more helmets being worn by the latter. And if you are a competitive cyclist, you most certainly are indeed a complete idiot if you choose to not wear a helmet. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| My dad was killed/hit by a motorist while cycling. He was wearing a helmet. |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Silky Johnson
My dad was killed/hit by a motorist while cycling. He was wearing a helmet. |
That is very unfortunate and I'm sorry to hear that, but it doesn't remotely invalidate the usefulness of helmets. As a medical health professional I would certainly hope you would never make that argument. |
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| Silky Johnson |
Lol I was just making a really tasteless joke. I am definitely pro helmet.
Mind you, I've no doubt it was internal injuries/bleeding that killed my dad; however, I bet had he survived that, at least he wouldn't have had a brain injury to go along with it. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Am I the only one who’s ok with Jack not wearing a helmet? |
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| Vector A |
I went flying over the handlebars of my bike and dislocated my shoulder, and I was wearing a helmet!
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