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Friyay 287: Hall0ween blue moon approacheth (pg. 4)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Wait, whatever happened after the lockdown? I thought things never really returned to normal in England, yet you guys are catching up with us? |
You can analyse it from a dozen different angles and I don't think the real truth will be known for a long time. But the simplest explanation: cold weather. I suppose it's not something you're familiar with, but respiratory illnesses always increase with the onset of autumn.
Granted, the government ed plenty of things up: didn't drive cases down to a low enough level before ending lockdown over summer, set up an inept and inefficient contact tracing system that doesn't work, tried to send people back into offices when the effect on city centre economies became obvious, and( most unforgivably in my eyes) sent university students back to live in halls of residence in September. Also, I haven't travelled anywhere this year, but I've heard the screening system in airports for arrivals is an absolute joke.
The general public also need to take a lot of blame. Between the conspiracy theorists, the mask refuseniks, the idiots claiming "it's just the flu" and just our general social tendency towards being individualistic and self-centred, people haven't taken social distancing nearly seriously enough. Once pubs opened up again people visibly stopped taking the virus seriously.
But above all that, even countries like Germany which apparently did everything right the first time around are now at risk of having their healthcare systems overwhelmed, so I think the bad weather and natural "flu season" made a bad second wave almost inevitable. It looks as though social distancing on its own just doesn't do enough. |
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| Sushipunk |
Dumb post, but I had a particularly vivid dream last night where I moved back to the UK and got a flat in London with a mate of mine. We broke into the flat prior to actually living there, and stored all of our stuff there, then went to get the keys etc. after 10am because if you get the keys after 10am then you don't have to clean the flat when you leave (what?)
Walking around London after that, it only occurred to me that coronavirus is a thing, and no one is wearing a mask, and I'm also not wearing a mask, and what am I doing here, and I woke up feeling super anxious at 3am and couldn't get back to sleep.
I hate this year. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You can analyse it from a dozen different angles and I don't think the real truth will be known for a long time. But the simplest explanation: cold weather. I suppose it's not something you're familiar with, but respiratory illnesses always increase with the onset of autumn.
Granted, the government ed plenty of things up: didn't drive cases down to a low enough level before ending lockdown over summer, set up an inept and inefficient contact tracing system that doesn't work, tried to send people back into offices when the effect on city centre economies became obvious, and( most unforgivably in my eyes) sent university students back to live in halls of residence in September. Also, I haven't travelled anywhere this year, but I've heard the screening system in airports for arrivals is an absolute joke.
The general public also need to take a lot of blame. Between the conspiracy theorists, the mask refuseniks, the idiots claiming "it's just the flu" and just our general social tendency towards being individualistic and self-centred, people haven't taken social distancing nearly seriously enough. Once pubs opened up again people visibly stopped taking the virus seriously.
But above all that, even countries like Germany which apparently did everything right the first time around are now at risk of having their healthcare systems overwhelmed, so I think the bad weather and natural "flu season" made a bad second wave almost inevitable. It looks as though social distancing on its own just doesn't do enough. |
You forgot the ridiculous eat out to help out scheme. When they announced that I was like :wtf: |
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| Zoso |
Damn, boys...it's all yard!!!
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| Arbiter |
Tempting as it is to blame poor results during the pandemic on government mismanagement, I don't think the data really bear that out. While Brazil's large outbreak was widely blamed on the lack of an effective response at the federal level, Peru and Argentina both enforced strict and lengthy lockdowns without achieving materially better results. The federal government in the U.S. has been perhaps even more inept than Brazil's, but different states have pursued widely varying policies, and the differences have not yielded much discernible effect. And in August, cases seemingly spiked and then declined without any obvious cause across much of the Pacific Rim (including at least Japan, South Korea, Australia, the Philippines, and Hawaii), even though those places share little in common except for proximity to the Pacific ocean. I still have no idea how to begin to explain that one.
Overall, while I presume that measures like lockdowns, social distancing, and masks have some effect, I find it hard to avoid the conclusion that the spread of SARS-Cov-2 is driven mostly by factors outside of human control--or at least outside of the control of the measures we've tried to employ so far. It would sure be nice if our so-called experts could bring some new ideas to the table instead of doubling down on those which haven't proven too effective so far. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Overall, while I presume that measures like lockdowns, social distancing, and masks have some effect... |
Still persisting with this? Blunt instrument they may be, but lockdowns are just about the only thing with any demonstrable effect on driving down infection numbers: https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/large-s...-of-lives/25046 |
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| Zoso |
| Well, boys, it's here...good ole Murican Election Day. I guess in a few hours we'll find out if my worries about a peaceful transition of power are, in fact, just worries...or something more tangible. I hope it's the former. :( |
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| JEO |
| So quite many are dead set on Biden's win, I guess? |
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| Ted Promo |
| I'm pretty sure it could go either way. Polling means essentially nothing, especially given what happened in 2016. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I've got £30 on Trump as a contingency. |
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| Ted Promo |
Yah, I am leaning on the likelihood that Trump wins because:
1. Incumbency.
2. His base WILL go out to vote.
3. People aren't voting for Biden but are voting against Trump instead. Absolutely no one is enthusiastic for Biden and Biden doesn't really have a defined base. |
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| Zoso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
Yah, I am leaning on the likelihood that Trump wins because:
1. Incumbency.
2. His base WILL go out to vote.
3. People aren't voting for Biden but are voting against Trump instead. Absolutely no one is enthusiastic for Biden and Biden doesn't really have a defined base. |
Get out of my head, Ted "Gang Bang" Promo!! :whip: |
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