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How do you do drugs "responsibly"? (pg. 4)
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| discojoe |
expand your mind? expand your conscience? whatever guys.. stupid hippies :rolleyes: :rolleyes: the only thing i ever expanded when i got high (well with indo anyway) was my stomach. There are far better ways to 'expand you mind' like reading a book or doing a crossword puzzle..
Let me put my two cents in here. I dont think you really can be responsible when it comes to harder drugs. Why? well if you have hundreds of scientists telling you they dont know anything about the short and long term effects.. what makes you think you do? Nobody knows what they do to you. Maybe we'll find out one day they really arnt all that bad, but then again they could very well find they cause SERIOUS long term health problems. Think of all those chemicals in one pill.. like someone said they are found in alot of common deadly chemicals. Hey I dont care if you take drugs or not. Just be prepared to accept the consequences later on in life and dont ing waste our health care resources if you do.
also on the matter of legalization.. I dont know where i stand. Think of how it would affect organized crime. It would almost completely wipe out their largest source of funding. Maybe some gang members and street 'thugs' might actually go out and get a job. On the downside i guess is that it would make it far cheaper and easier to get drugs. And would certainly ruin people's lives that couldnt otherwise get them get drugs before. |
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| fuxit |
| It's easy, just don't spend more than $100 per week, and try not to overdose. |
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| mariachickita |
| quote: | Originally posted by E*Master
That is something that remains a mystery ;) |
riiiiiiiiiiiiiight :toocool: |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
i mean say 9 outta 10 times u'll likely be fine, but is that minute possibility of injury really worth the risk .. ? :conf: |
Although it is more risky than having one cigarette, there are ways to minimize the risk. Having a regular dealer is one. Many dealers service a large number of the same group of people over and over again. Not that you can ultimately trust these people, but it's safer than buying in a club.
And really, the odds of getting a pill that causes "injury" are not even close to being 1 in 10. When you think about the quantity of pills that are produced and distributed in Toronto, or Canada, or North America or the world, the chance of something fatal or serious happening is a fraction of a percentage. |
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| Durafei |
Having a regular dealer means nothing. You dealer gets a pill from someone - you don't know who. He might be getting a bad batch. There are sooooooooooo many different kinds of pills lately, chances are(unless you buy many at once) that you won't get the same pill twice. That means more risk. And lately I've been hearing more and more about pills that don't even work.
So, yeah taking pills is risky. I don't think it's risky to the point where you can die(knock on wood), but risky in terms that it may not work or may have chemical. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
Having a regular dealer means nothing. You dealer gets a pill from someone - you don't know who. He might be getting a bad batch. There are sooooooooooo many different kinds of pills lately, chances are(unless you buy many at once) that you won't get the same pill twice. That means more risk. And lately I've been hearing more and more about pills that don't even work.
So, yeah taking pills is risky. I don't think it's risky to the point where you can die(knock on wood), but risky in terms that it may not work or may have chemical. |
Pills that don't work are only a risk to your wallet. Although there's enough of them going around, I wouldn't really call it a big risk of using drugs.
Having a regular dealer does mean something. If your friends did those blue doves from Joe Dealer yesterday and they were fantastic, you can probably go and buy those doves from that same dealer today and reasonably assume the pills are from the same batch. If you're trying to say there are no GUARANTEES, then I agree with you. But to say that buying from a regular dealer is just as risky as buying from a stranger in a club, then you're wrong. People get these ideas that every dealer is a shady, ed up crack addict, just looking for another dollar to buy another fix. That's also wrong. It's a shady business, but that doesn't mean everyone who is part of it is also necessarily shady as well. Obviously, you never want to trust anyone completely, but keep things in perspective, at least. If everyone is so shady, and drugs are so risky, why the hell do you keep doing them? |
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| butterfly |
i think you can do drugs responsibly (to an extent).
- don't mix drugs
- i think certain drugs worse than others. (i.e. pot < e < coke < heroin...)
- watch the dosage (keep it to one pill or whatever)
- let your body recover properly - sleep, noursihment, water, etc.
- don't do it often
just my opinion. i don't condone drug use but i have definitely seen different levels of responsibility in drug users. |
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| TranceGeek |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
expand your mind? expand your conscience? whatever guys.. stupid hippies :rolleyes: :rolleyes: the only thing i ever expanded when i got high (well with indo anyway) was my stomach. There are far better ways to 'expand you mind' like reading a book or doing a crossword puzzle.. |
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
oh that was good...
thank you! |
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| E*Master |
| quote: | Originally posted by mariachickita
riiiiiiiiiiiiiight :toocool: |
;) ok I will play along. No seriously I am a nice guy who does not do drugs. Meet me in person and u shall see. See u at some TA event. |
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| mariachickita |
| quote: | Originally posted by E*Master
;) ok I will play along. No seriously I am a nice guy who does not do drugs. Meet me in person and u shall see. See u at some TA event. |
heehe just joshing with you
what does it stand for........... come on..... |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
And really, the odds of getting a pill that causes "injury" are not even close to being 1 in 10. When you think about the quantity of pills that are produced and distributed in Toronto, or Canada, or North America or the world, the chance of something fatal or serious happening is a fraction of a percentage. |
but what about discojoe said about the long term effects.. ? sure maybe nothing's happening now, but down the road who knows? it's not to say that a lotta these drugs like E haven't been around for a while, they have, but they haven't been in (widespread) use until now so i don't think there's been enough time for any kind of long term study on the effects over say several years unlike say hemp which has been smoked for hundreds of years. i can see where you're coming from in terms of the odds, it's probably something like 1/10000 but the thing is that because their unregulated, even with a known dealer there's no telling what could be in the pill cuz it's so easy to conceal.
like here's an example, say u know a group of ppl who just took blue flintstones or whatever at last nite's party and they turned out fine. so u decide to get the same kind from the same dealer for next weekend's party. and you dose and the chems stay in ur system for several days. u feel fine after the high , but then unknowlingly injest another chemical a week later that doesn't mix well with whatever's in ur system already. it's sort of that residual period that concerns me .. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
like here's an example, say u know a group of ppl who just took blue flintstones or whatever at last nite's party and they turned out fine. so u decide to get the same kind from the same dealer for next weekend's party. and you dose and the chems stay in ur system for several days. u feel fine after the high , but then unknowlingly injest another chemical a week later that doesn't mix well with whatever's in ur system already. it's sort of that residual period that concerns me .. |
I'm not really sure what you mean. What other chemicals are you consuming later in the week? Extensive medical testing has been done on mdma and its effects. It used to be used in therapists' offices, until people started having fun with it and then it became illegal. If you're talking about random chemical interactions between, say, some perscription meds you're on and residual chemicals from a pill on the weekend, the research has been done on mdma and its interactions, and although strange chemical interactions can occur in the odd person, you're probably not going to see the mdma in your system (which leaves your system after several days, I believe) interact with this other type of chemical that you're referring to. (If this doesnt make sense, it's because I'm not really sure what type of chemicals you're talking about.)
Re. long term effects - I'm not denying that repeated use will probably cause you long term effects. the people who used heavily in the early 90's without any concept of consequences or harm reduction - many of them are on anti-depressants, possibly because their seritonin receptors have been damaged. There's no denying the risk. However, I was referring to a/ getting a pill that has harmful substances in it, such as PMA or rat poison (strychine - or something like that, can't remember) and b/ the odds of something fatal or injurious happening after one use. |
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