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How do you do drugs "responsibly"? (pg. 5)
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| erikwh |
| quote: | Originally posted by E*Master
Are you one of those ppl who has E on his mind so much to the point where he/she see the letter "e" they automatically assume it is realted to drugs?
The E in my name has nothing to do with drugs for your information. ;) |
Yeah, you're right. Trance music and e.... that would be like bread and butter! oh wait a sec.. |
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| TheDemon |
| I still stand by my words. I have no desire of any reason to do drugs. |
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| erikwh |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
also on the matter of legalization.. I dont know where i stand. Think of how it would affect organized crime. It would almost completely wipe out their largest source of funding. Maybe some gang members and street 'thugs' might actually go out and get a job. On the downside i guess is that it would make it far cheaper and easier to get drugs. |
How many people do you know who do not use drugs solely because they find it too dangerous to buy drugs from a drug dealer, or apart from addicts because they are too expensive for recreation?
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And would certainly ruin people's lives that couldnt otherwise get them get drugs before. |
Thats a good point about ruining lives... I was thinking about this last night when a guy at 7-11 came in before me and bought a bottle of listerine (he was a bum). There are people who lives would be destroyed by a drug like e, and the reason it has not is because they have not had the chance to find it to buy it.. but it seems like such a small percentage of the population, I would think much smaller than the number of people who have allready decided to take a drug and then have to deal with the negative aspects of it... so yeah it's not the best solution, but it seems like a NET gain in harm reduction. |
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| discojoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by erikwh
How many people do you know who do not use drugs solely because they find it too dangerous to buy drugs from a drug dealer, or apart from addicts because they are too expensive for recreation?
Thats a good point about ruining lives... I was thinking about this last night when a guy at 7-11 came in before me and bought a bottle of listerine (he was a bum). There are people who lives would be destroyed by a drug like e, and the reason it has not is because they have not had the chance to find it to buy it.. but it seems like such a small percentage of the population, I would think much smaller than the number of people who have allready decided to take a drug and then have to deal with the negative aspects of it... so yeah it's not the best solution, but it seems like a NET gain in harm reduction. |
ya i just watched the movie traffic.. good flick but it makes you think. If you can go to the local drug store and get cocain think of how easy it would be for a kid to pick it up. Look at how easy kids get alcohol. Everyone says.. be educated be responsible. Well kids arnt they dont know. The girl in that movie's father was a supreme court judge and look at how completely took control of her life. It's all up to the parents right? Its the parents responsiblity to look after their kids. Well what happens to the hundreds of thousands of kids who dont have that support at home? Do we say em? |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
The biggest concerns right now with E is that the receptors in your brain cells shrink due to excessive use. these receptors are responsible for deploying seratonin throughout your body. |
Please do not take offence to this:
1) Shrinking receptors??? Re-read your med-text books pal.
2) Deploy seratonin throughout your body - actually it's your brain they deploy seratonin into..
The problem is that there are too many "internet-made" pharmocologists. Study the chemicals and understand how they interact with receptors and other cells within the body before your become a bio-pharmocologist. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Nice post. I agree with you about pre-post loading. The people I
However, if you're absolutely serious about protecting your brain and minimizing damage as much as possible should you choose to do e, there are further supplements you can take. If you go to www.bluelight.nu and search for 5HTP (specifically posts by
The problem is that people get hooked on the intensity of the highs and lows without realizing it. Education is key. |
With everybody talking about pre-loading the idea of post-loading is often forgotten.
Prozac or Zoloft or any other SSRI is a perfect post-load that has proven to minimize the damage on the seratonin receptors after using MDMA or MDA. A non-presction method _could_ be using st-johns wort. This is not medical advice (please don't sue me).
Basicaly with MDMA you want to limit the seratonin receptor to over-exposure. Any SSRI will work for you - whether it's Prozac or Efexor or Zoloft or St. Johns Wort - be save. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by bucky
Harm Reduction. |
Kudos! visit http://www.dancesafe.org to find out more.
Harm Reduction is the key. People are going to use, lets help them not abuse. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShAwZy
I am the same way mariachickita. Actually Deep Dish on Saturday night was the first party I did sober. |
Word on the street is that doing drugs quite a bit can often lead you into thinking that drugs provide the "high". When you stop using them you realize that it's the music and the people.
Drugs have a place - use them, enjoy them. Don't become a problem for others and ruin their time. Drugs should very much be an interpersonal expirience, not a mess for others to clean up. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by erikwh
it's ironic that the community would like regulations on drugs that the state has deemed illegal. it's hard reduction through according to them.. which is no drugs at all! too bad politicians dont hang out |
To get political, the state should not control the reality of an individual. It's the role of the state to create an environment for business to prosper (and thus the enconomy propser). |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
So, yeah taking pills is risky. I don't think it's risky to the point where you can die(knock on wood), but risky in terms that it may not work or may have chemical. |
If you look at the stats of ecstasy consumtion in England - there are over 1 million pills consumed every week.
How many die? Not many.... Is this going to change - yes it's going to go up unless people are educated on the effects/dangers/responsible use and/or the dosage is regulated.
Harm reduction is the best way to go - edcuate those who use so that they minimize the harm they can cause.
People are going to use regardless - but try to minmize the danger through education. |
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| Time2Burn |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
ya i just watched the movie traffic.. good flick but it makes you think. If you can go to the local drug store and get cocain think of how easy it would be for a kid to pick it up. Look at how easy kids get alcohol. Everyone says.. be educated be responsible. Well kids arnt they dont know. The girl in that movie's father was a supreme court judge and look at how completely took control of her life. It's all up to the parents right? Its the parents responsiblity to look after their kids. Well what happens to the hundreds of thousands of kids who dont have that support at home? Do we say em? |
One day I was walking down the street and these 2 punk kids stopped me and asked me to buy them a case of beer. Of course I was like sure why the hell why not. When i came back we chatted a little and when we finally parted I was walking away with a quater of ganja in my pocket that they sold to me.
It seems to me that it is WAY easier for kids to find drugs on the street than it is to buy booze from the LCBO. If drugs (and I mean the "softer" kind) would be regulated it in fact would make it harder for teenagers to get into drugs. Check the stats on Holland and you'll find this to be true.
Of course many social variables are involved. But a society that advocates safe use and harm reduction to its citizens will have better results than one who condemns and punishes "addicts" and recreational users alike.
PS - Although Traffic was a great movie and did have interesting things to say about the war on drugs in the USA I also feel that it shouldn't be taken for "truth". Most of it is American rhetoric and propaganda (to a point). To me it showed the social side of the drug epidemic and basically made the point that the way in which the States has chosen to fight drugs is futile. Putting people in jail and fighting the cartels doesn't do all. Instead Mr. Douglas' character learned that dealing with drug abuse socially gets better results as he found with his daughter. |
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