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Microsoft offers CD copy limits ! (pg. 2)
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
When will these s learn? The only totally copy protected CD is one that doesnt ing play. How hard is it to figure out?
If I can play it, I can capture the signal and record it in my luxury. It just takes one person to do it and spread it across the web. You want to screw me and give me a ty product that wont play where I want it to? Ill ing download your . Not that I listen to any of the schlock that the RIAA puts out...
Edit: heres an interesting idea I read on slashdot. If you buy a copy protected CD that doesnt work in your computer or car or old-gen CD players, sue the person who sold it to you for fraud. Not the store itself, but the actual minimum wage behind the counter who sold it to you. Take it to civil court, try to get a few hundred bucks or something. Go to the jury and show them the CD, asking them what they think it is. Naturally they will say its a CD. Then ask them "well shouldnt it then play in a CD player?" The defendent will naturally protest that he was just doing his job, that if he refused to sell such an item he would get fired. But that wont make any difference. If it has the Compact Disc logo on it, you would have expected it to work in any cd player, and when it didnt, you were defrauded. You will most likely win. Dont feel bad for screwing the minimum wage peon though, he will turn around and counter-sue his employer for forcing him to sell fraudulent items. The store manager/employer will turn around and sue the entire franchise (Best Buy, Walmart, whatever store he runs) for making him put items on stock and telling his peons to sell them. Then the franchise will sue the CD makers and the record labels for trying to make them sell fraudulent items. Kind of like when they blow up the death star in Star Wars, start from the top (or in this case, the bottom) and work your way in. |
If the disc bears the "Compact Disc-Digital Audio" emblem on it and its case, it MUST play in ALL CD players (because it HAS to have "Red Book" data (standard audio that's playable in ANY CD player): PC, car, game console, DVD players that run CDs, portables, no matter WHAT age they are. If it doesn't play in A CD player, it can't be classified as a "Compact Disc" because it doesn't play in ALL CD players. Anyone have any CD players (doesn't matter what type, as long as it's a CD player that can play standard CD-DA)around from the early to mid 1980s? Test one of these "copy protected" CDs in them. Also, test them in VERY high-end equipment and in car players. I bet very few players in these categories will NOT play the CD without problems. At this point, do what the person I'm quoting says: SUE! SUE! SUE! Wasn't Philips against putting that CD-DA emblem on ANY CD that is "copy protected", since it isn't "Red Book-compliant"? Can anyone get me any websites that show this? |
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| drizzt81 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ali92
If the disc bears the "Compact Disc-Digital Audio" emblem on it and its case, it MUST play in ALL CD players (because it [snip]At this point, do what the person I'm quoting says: SUE! SUE! SUE! Wasn't Philips against putting that CD-DA emblem on ANY CD that is "copy protected", since it isn't "Red Book-compliant"? Can anyone get me any websites that show this? |
yes, phillips was sueing afaik..
check www.theregister.co.uk they usually have some articles on this (though they are coming from the techy-geeky side)
about the fall of CD-sales:
the music industry says
they do not say
- over the past decade CD sales have increased by >10% per annum
- this is the second year in a row, where the economy isn't doing good. people have less money
- that they aren't even TRYING to provide any alternative means for distribution
- instead of adjusting their business practices to the new circumstances (as EVERY business would have to) they are trying to bribe politicians to re-create artificial barriers to entry into this highly monopolized market
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| Furel |
Like Harri said, its just a matter of time till they crack it (if they eve release this technology) IMO. There's always an unsatisfied employee who can't wait to screw with the company he works for...
Nowadays, cracks are released faster than the software itself... Its crazy... |
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| TiestoInTheMix |
| quote: | Originally posted by jinxed84
edit: sothis about that CD just buy a crappy ass CD player and a line out to line in cable from like radioshack. if you have a decent soundcard you can record to wav or mp3 and then youre set. maybe 25 bucks total if you get a cheap ass cd player which is all you need in this case. sucks though that you have to go through that crap when you bought the damn thing. maybe that helps i dunno |
exactly what i was gonna say. even with all the hardcore copy-protection schemes, there will be analog copying. sure, lose some quality, but hey - that's the best you can get that way.
what about digital outputs? i have a digital output on my stereo. can't i record digital audio through there?
Kim, i guess if you want to get past the copy protection, you have to wait, someone will crack it eventually (soon, hopefully). i'm sure you've searched the net for it, so i won't tell you to do so.
i have a Scooter cd (shame, shame :D) and the tracks showed up neither in my ripper program, nor when i went to the directory with my windows explorer. my solution? use ez-cd creator (shame, shame :D) 3.5 and the "save audio track" option |
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| Sir. Lunchalot |
The whole thing about copy protecting music does not go to the root of the problem. The real question we should be discussing is: Why do people copy music? I have two possible answers (altough there might be more than these):
1. Lack of distribution
If I can`t buy the music I want I have no other alternative than to download it or copy it from someone. This is true for most of the livesets/concerts out there, but also for some "normal" CD Productions like the Zurdo Soudtrack by PvD. Why isn`t all music available everywhere? Again we find two possible answers:
First one is the distribution costs. If the distribution costs are higher than the profit you expect from a country where you distribute the music you won`t distribute it there. Possible Solution: Open a new, non physical, distribution channel like the Internet and you will have almost no distibution costs but are able to satisfy the demand from all countries in the world.
Second one is more a legal problem. If you have a liveset with around 10 songs, it is most likely that these 10 songs are from different artists and record companies. Who should be in charge to divide the money equally? How would you divide the money? Length of the track being played? Wouldn`t the costs to establish such an organisation by far exceed the profit?
2. Price for the music
The price for all electronic goods has fallen as soon as the good was mass produced. The only good I can think of at the moment that does not follow this logical path is a CD. CD prices have almost doubled since I bought my first CD somewhen in the eigthies. Why have the costs for a CD risen so much? The simple answer is: The prices that the record companies pay the artists for their work is ever rising. these costs have to added to the price for the CD. For example Robbie Williams got more than 100 Million Euros for his next CD`s and this is not only paid by the people who buy his CD`s but this is also subsidised by the people who buy other CD`s fromthat company from artist who don`t get paid as much as Robbie Williams does. All of this is, of course, only true for the big record companies. The smaller companies have the problem that the demand for their music is too low, so they have to have high prices.
The problem is that people will not buy a CD above a certain price (at least I will not), so it`s the record companies turn to lower prices to boost sales. This can be done by cutting distribution costs (the Internet...), lowering the money the big artists get paid(altough there will always another company that will pay a higher price and the artist will go to this company), by distibuting more widespread to collect all the available demand (again, the Internt) and by offering new products (livesets for sale?). Since all of this would have to be user friendly to be accepted by the people, the record companies will have to work together and create a new platform where you can buy all the music you want to a fair and reasonable price. This would definitely lower the percentage of copied music. At the moment they don`t a cent form copied music. Why not offer music the way the people want it and get a share of that money they loose? |
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| big dave |
companies complain "ohh this year sales went down by 7%"
well they can go themselves cos that 7% to them is not going to mean pay cuts to any employees etc cos they are making ing astronomical profits any way! greedy ing bastards like these big companies annoy me! i could see the point if they were struggling to survive and 7% actually mattered to them but it doesnt, they make so much more than enoough! :whip: |
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| TiestoInTheMix |
| quote: | Originally posted by big dave
companies complain "ohh this year sales went down by 7%"
well they can go themselves cos that 7% to them is not going to mean pay cuts to any employees etc cos they are making ing astronomical profits any way! greedy ing bastards like these big companies annoy me! i could see the point if they were struggling to survive and 7% actually mattered to them but it doesnt, they make so much more than enoough! :whip: |
werd. i forgot to comment on that. RIAA blames sales decline on illegal mp3s and etc... bullcrap. that's not the only factor, and it definitely isn't the biggest factor. if it weren't for mp3s, i would've never discovered trance and bought all those GU & PVD & Oakey CDs. i'm sure it was like that for many other people. so shut up, RIAA. mp3s only helped out the sales.
what's the next thing they're gonna come up with? copy-protected vinyls? if we can rip a vinyl, we can surely rip a cd then ;) |
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| AussieTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by drizzt81
about the fall of CD-sales:
the music industry says
they do not say
- over the past decade CD sales have increased by >10% per annum
- this is the second year in a row, where the economy isn't doing good. people have less money
- that they aren't even TRYING to provide any alternative means for distribution
- instead of adjusting their business practices to the new circumstances (as EVERY business would have to) they are trying to bribe politicians to re-create artificial barriers to entry into this highly monopolized market
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And the fact that people are sick to death of Britney clones, the quality of main stream music released in the passed few years is to say the least, and they still charge to friggen much.
On top of that, trance is notorious for not been released out here - fine, its not a booming market like Britney, but the cd better be a masterpiece to warrant the import costs.
RIAA wins award for most incompotent organization going around. :whip:
EDIT: Then you have those moronic fools who say mp3 will kill the artist - SO utterly stupid :whip: :whip: :mad: :mad: |
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| Spad |
| quote: | Originally posted by sothis
i bought a cybertrance cd over in japan (put out by club velfarre) and it has this ing copy protection on it.
it wouldnt bother me except that not only can you not copy, but when you try to play the cd on your computer, it opens up its own miniplayer which plays at a CRAP quality. this upsets me because i do not have a stereo, only my computer, and i cant even listen to my own ing cd that i BOUGHT.
i still havent found a way around it.. ive tried a bunch of methods. god ing dammit. |
You hit the nail on the head, they're only going to alienate their customers like this. I bet if you looked on the internet you'd find it, copy protection will always be beaten, they're wasting money and not helping themselves one bit.
It wouln't even be impossible to remove the digital signature from the mp3's Neo was talking about if you knew enough about the technology that put it there. |
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| Az |
Sothis, there should be a thick line around the edge of the CD, tip it with black marker.
My Dad can't play copyright protected CD's in his car, and thats what he does ;) |
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| ali92 |
See, one reason why any people don't just go BUY music is because they want to know aht they're buying! They want to HEAR it first! That's why they download MP3s. I think that what the artists/record labels should do is place MP3s on their site for download.= but, put tem in something like 96 kbps or less and have a "beep" at the beginning or end of the song or something. This way, people can still HEAR a sample of what they MAY buy. www.amazon.com used to (and they still may) provide 30-seond sample clips of certain tracks on albums. This was a good START but, what about for LONG (over 30 minute) tracks that change over time? 30 seconds doesn't cut it at all. However, the RIAA/MPAA doesn't care. They all want MONEY. The same should go with movies: Have lower quality clips of possibly the entire film on the sites but, have something in the movie for a very short time-frame (like a message that says "sample version" or whatever) between a few scenes in the movie.
"Copy Protection" will NOT solve anything because hardcore "warez" people who do it for BIG-TIME money have broken the code BEFORE anything using it was released (e.g. "Devil'sOwn" version of Windows XP Corp. and working serial number was made some 25 days before the official launch). Look at VHS tapes: Many new movies have MacroVision (or some other form of) copy protection. It prevented me from making a "casual copy" of "Enemy of the State" (NTSC, English), as well as many other movies. It only made MY life more miserable because if you want to preserve the original copies like I do, you must NOT run them. The only way to watch the movie without degrading the quality of the copy is by copying it. In order to do this, you need a device that eliminates the protection before the signal is passed to the other VCR. Why have this copy protection in the first place? It isn't causing problems to anyone? If anyone really wants a good quality movie, they'll just buy the original (IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT, WHICH NOWADAYS, IT ISN'T). |
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| PointyDC |
| Heheheh...that 7% drop is bull, when what the RIAA doesn't tell you is that the number of CD's released this year was a substantial amount less than last year, hence the CD-sales being down!! |
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