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Microsoft offers CD copy limits ! (pg. 3)
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by sothis
i bought a cybertrance cd over in japan (put out by club velfarre) and it has this ing copy protection on it.
it wouldnt bother me except that not only can you not copy, but when you try to play the cd on your computer, it opens up its own miniplayer which plays at a CRAP quality. this upsets me because i do not have a stereo, only my computer, and i cant even listen to my own ing cd that i BOUGHT.
i still havent found a way around it.. ive tried a bunch of methods. god ing dammit. |
If you can borrow a personal CD player off someone, you can do a line in (audio) to your computer to record into Total Recorder, which records and saves directly into wav or mp3 up to 256kps stereo quality. Pm me if you need the software.
if you can play the audio, you can record the audio. |
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| Swamper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Harri
For example.. take microsoft and thier "uncrackable" windows XP...
ha ha, didnt last long.
There is always someone smarter out there. |
Umm.. There will come a date when everyone running a cracked version of Windows XP will be severely ed. It will only come once the next release of Windows comes out and has been around for at least a year.
Microsoft knows full well of each and every legitimate Product Key sent out from their factory, while a crack may fit the algorithm of the product that doesn't mean you're safe. All it takes is your next visit to Windows Update for them to check your Product Key against their master list - if that Key was not shipped out from the factory then, guess what, your windows is now deactivated along with any access to your files -- and for the VAST majority of users this would be utter chaos. They'd be forced to call MS with a credit card and pay a certain amount and get their OS re-enabled - OR - buy the new WIndows OS and it would have something built-in to renable your XP and/or upgrade it to the new OS.
Mark my words, it will happen. |
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| fantom |
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
Umm.. There will come a date when everyone running a cracked version of Windows XP will be severely ed. It will only come once the next release of Windows comes out and has been around for at least a year.
Microsoft knows full well of each and every legitimate Product Key sent out from their factory, while a crack may fit the algorithm of the product that doesn't mean you're safe. All it takes is your next visit to Windows Update for them to check your Product Key against their master list - if that Key was not shipped out from the factory then, guess what, your windows is now deactivated along with any access to your files -- and for the VAST majority of users this would be utter chaos. They'd be forced to call MS with a credit card and pay a certain amount and get their OS re-enabled - OR - buy the new WIndows OS and it would have something built-in to renable your XP and/or upgrade it to the new OS.
Mark my words, it will happen. |
Hmm, that's why I never bothered checking the Windows Update site ever since I installed SP1 from it... my XP with one of these "legitimate" keys and current updates is running just fine, and I don't feel a slightest need to update it any further! And I do regular backups of all the files on my comp once in a while, so even if they disable my windoze, bah, I'll just get a new OS or re-install this one all over again.
| quote: | Originally posted by ali92
"Copy Protection" will NOT solve anything because hardcore "warez" people who do it for BIG-TIME money have broken the code BEFORE anything using it was released (e.g. "Devil'sOwn" version of Windows XP Corp. and working serial number was made some 25 days before the official launch). |
Hmm, "warez" people who do it for BIG-TIME money? As far as I know, from being one of those "warez" people for the last couple of years myself, all these cracks/hacks and cracked copies of software are released for ZERO profit... they don't make any money from it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Harri
For example.. take microsoft and thier "uncrackable" windows XP...
ha ha, didnt last long.
There is always someone smarter out there. |
Hehee, yep... I was kinda scared away by all the reports from Microsoft that users will not be allowed to install the XP (once it comes out) on more than one comp, and that all installations would be activated online or some crap like that. Well, guess what, I didn't just install my pirated copy of this beautiful OS on 2 computers in my home, I even managed to change the serial number that I installed them with along with whole bunch of other registration info (things you can find on Internet these days :D:D)
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
Edit: heres an interesting idea I read on slashdot. If you buy a copy protected CD that doesnt work in your computer or car or old-gen CD players, sue the person who sold it to you for fraud. Not the store itself, but the actual minimum wage behind the counter who sold it to you. Take it to civil court, try to get a few hundred bucks or something. Go to the jury and show them the CD, asking them what they think it is. Naturally they will say its a CD. Then ask them "well shouldnt it then play in a CD player?" The defendent will naturally protest that he was just doing his job, that if he refused to sell such an item he would get fired. But that wont make any difference. If it has the Compact Disc logo on it, you would have expected it to work in any cd player, and when it didnt, you were defrauded. You will most likely win. Dont feel bad for screwing the minimum wage peon though, he will turn around and counter-sue his employer for forcing him to sell fraudulent items. The store manager/employer will turn around and sue the entire franchise (Best Buy, Walmart, whatever store he runs) for making him put items on stock and telling his peons to sell them. Then the franchise will sue the CD makers and the record labels for trying to make them sell fraudulent items. Kind of like when they blow up the death star in Star Wars, start from the top (or in this case, the bottom) and work your way in. |
And that is bound to happen anytime soon... someone will just flip out for not being able to play their CDs on their computer and sue somebody's ass off all the way to the top executives' office of RIAA!
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
My Dad can't play copyright protected CD's in his car, and thats what he does ;) |
One suggestion for your dad - get a lawyer, sue somebody... because I'd be pretty pissed off for not being able to play a CD I paid $20 or so in my car's CD player.
Moral of this whole story - stupid s at RIAA and big companies are concentrating on the wrong problem! Why throw all that money on research on how to copy-protect their products when some 14 year old kid will break that copy-protection scheme in a day or two (I mean, if a human put it together, there's gotta be a way to undo it, reverse engineer it or whatever). Why not spend some money on research of the market, ask their customers what would encourage them to buy more music?! That way, you will eliminate the need for copy-protection since you will find a way to satisfy most people and they won't feel the need to copy your products...
Until they hire someone with half the brain in his head and come up with a solution like that, I will stay away from HMV's of this world and will download my music off the net.
P.S. - What Britney and a whole bunch of artists alike get paid for these days is not really the quality of music (I mean, just take a listen to Britney's last couple of albums, all the songs sound the same, just worded differently... there's nothing artistic about that! Artists come up with new, original and unique ideas/songs, they don't use the same idea over and over and over), they get paid more for their entertainment skills... but hey, who the hell am I to complain, I don't even buy their CDs! |
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| JM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
Mark my words, it will happen. |
you're scaring me but you're right. i tried to download the SP 1,2 and it wouldnt:D so i had to do individual updates separately...so what better way than to know somebody who knows somebody that can get the SP on disk straight from MS;). or maybe the MS Windows XP with the service packs already integrated.
there's always a way around (almost) everything.
although i wouldnt know of anything of what i said above:toothless
>JM< |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
Umm.. There will come a date when everyone running a cracked version of Windows XP will be severely ed. It will only come once the next release of Windows comes out and has been around for at least a year.
Microsoft knows full well of each and every legitimate Product Key sent out from their factory, while a crack may fit the algorithm of the product that doesn't mean you're safe. All it takes is your next visit to Windows Update for them to check your Product Key against their master list - if that Key was not shipped out from the factory then, guess what, your windows is now deactivated along with any access to your files -- and for the VAST majority of users this would be utter chaos. They'd be forced to call MS with a credit card and pay a certain amount and get their OS re-enabled - OR - buy the new WIndows OS and it would have something built-in to renable your XP and/or upgrade it to the new OS.
Mark my words, it will happen. |
Ever heard of utilities that can back up your entire system to whatever state it's at? Just use that right before you go to Windows Update. If your system gets messed up, you can easily restore it to the state it was last at when you backed it up.
I changed my Serial number (with a generator) before I installed SP1. That's why I was able to install it. Why won't MS include the entire Office suite (or something else VERY worthwile) in with their next OS? One reason that makes Linux so nice is that you buy the OS and it comes with over 2000 software packages- Most of which you can use. Why can't MS do this? I was surprised that XP costed 300 USD when it first came out and it comes with NO extra software packages! |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
Umm.. There will come a date when everyone running a cracked version of Windows XP will be severely ed. It will only come once the next release of Windows comes out and has been around for at least a year.
Microsoft knows full well of each and every legitimate Product Key sent out from their factory, while a crack may fit the algorithm of the product that doesn't mean you're safe. All it takes is your next visit to Windows Update for them to check your Product Key against their master list - if that Key was not shipped out from the factory then, guess what, your windows is now deactivated along with any access to your files -- and for the VAST majority of users this would be utter chaos. They'd be forced to call MS with a credit card and pay a certain amount and get their OS re-enabled - OR - buy the new WIndows OS and it would have something built-in to renable your XP and/or upgrade it to the new OS.
Mark my words, it will happen. |
Piracy has been around for a LONG time. What wold make you think that it would happen now? Why would it happen a year after their new Windows comes out? At that time, people will be using the new Windows. Doesn't MS know the reason why people don't buy their Windows? BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO HIGH AND HAS NOTHING WITH IT BESIDES THE OS (is JUST an OS worth 300 USD?)!!! |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by fantom
Hmm, that's why I never bothered checking the Windows Update site ever since I installed SP1 from it... my XP with one of these "legitimate" keys and current updates is running just fine, and I don't feel a slightest need to update it any further! And I do regular backups of all the files on my comp once in a while, so even if they disable my windoze, bah, I'll just get a new OS or re-install this one all over again.
Hmm, "warez" people who do it for BIG-TIME money? As far as I know, from being one of those "warez" people for the last couple of years myself, all these cracks/hacks and cracked copies of software are released for ZERO profit... they don't make any money from it.
Hehee, yep... I was kinda scared away by all the reports from Microsoft that users will not be allowed to install the XP (once it comes out) on more than one comp, and that all installations would be activated online or some crap like that. Well, guess what, I didn't just install my pirated copy of this beautiful OS on 2 computers in my home, I even managed to change the serial number that I installed them with along with whole bunch of other registration info (things you can find on Internet these days :D:D)
And that is bound to happen anytime soon... someone will just flip out for not being able to play their CDs on their computer and sue somebody's ass off all the way to the top executives' office of RIAA!
One suggestion for your dad - get a lawyer, sue somebody... because I'd be pretty pissed off for not being able to play a CD I paid $20 or so in my car's CD player.
Moral of this whole story - stupid s at RIAA and big companies are concentrating on the wrong problem! Why throw all that money on research on how to copy-protect their products when some 14 year old kid will break that copy-protection scheme in a day or two (I mean, if a human put it together, there's gotta be a way to undo it, reverse engineer it or whatever). Why not spend some money on research of the market, ask their customers what would encourage them to buy more music?! That way, you will eliminate the need for copy-protection since you will find a way to satisfy most people and they won't feel the need to copy your products...
Until they hire someone with half the brain in his head and come up with a solution like that, I will stay away from HMV's of this world and will download my music off the net.
P.S. - What Britney and a whole bunch of artists alike get paid for these days is not really the quality of music (I mean, just take a listen to Britney's last couple of albums, all the songs sound the same, just worded differently... there's nothing artistic about that! Artists come up with new, original and unique ideas/songs, they don't use the same idea over and over and over), they get paid more for their entertainment skills... but hey, who the hell am I to complain, I don't even buy their CDs! |
It's not the people who made the cracks that make the money. It's the people who USE them who more often than not make the money. |
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| KoreanDJ |
I'm probably gonna end up working for Microsoft :)
Stevek :wtf: |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by KoreanDJ
I'm probably gonna end up working for Microsoft :)
Stevek :wtf: |
Why? Just to get Windows ahead of time or for free/low cost? Why not become a programmer or something and make HIGH quality Linux software that rivals Windows software? Then, MS will have to do something about Windows. |
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| fantom |
Right on...
"...now it is time to relearn old lessons about fostering creativity and manufacturing entertainment that people are willing to pay for..." |
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| a-aplz |
| quote: | Originally posted by ali92
"Copy Protection" will NOT solve anything because hardcore "warez" people who do it for BIG-TIME money have broken the code BEFORE anything using it was released |
Where the hell did you get the idea that we do it for money? Out of all the I released (software and movies) I didn't make a cent, nor would I expect to.
EDIT: Btw buddy do you know anything about Linux cus I need some help. :D |
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