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defenition of cheese: (pg. 4)
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| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Cheese, i feel, is an opinion.....
Yes to the majority of tranceaddicts DJ Alligator, Darude, Vries etc etc are cheese....however to the people who enjoy those tunes they are not cheese aswell as the producers who make those tracks...they like them, hence do not consider them cheese.
The term cheese seems get thrown around very often, as if to represent yourself better then the masses because you dislike a widely played and commercial track....however would you consider your favorite track cheese if it was liked by the masses and played day in and day out on the radio?...if you say yes then your not in the scene for the music.....
In all honesty....music is an art form.....art can never be wrong....because the next person may find what you dislike to be brilliant...... |
I so agree with that, it pretty much seems to me that when people want to sling at someone else's music the easiest thing to say is it's cheesy.
In started out from hearing darude-sandstorm, maybe thats ok cause it was somewhere to start, maybe it isn't. Maybe we should listen to our mothers when they say if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything.:) |
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| DJ Freestyle |
| Cheese is music in simple form that sounds like it was made just for the money hence it's lack of originality & commercial success. That's my definition anyways & a little cheese can be okay sometimes, but it's not really my style :clown: |
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| kr00t0n |
The cheese = commercialism aspect doesnt make alot of sense.
What if a track was made not with the intention of cashing in, and it becomes popular with the masses for some reason? (BK- Revolution, the first Hard House track to make it commercial, I can gaurantee was not intended to do so, it was, and still does rip the roof off at clubs)
Stuff like that cant just become cheese because it popular.
As with Sandstorm, it never really did anything for me, but it wasnt bad, and not cheese, but when it became popular, and his other tracks that sounded WAY too similar got released, all Darude's stuff got classed as cheese.
Eh, I mean, I really liked the Green Court mix of Heaven when I heard it in FEB last year, but I admit that I find it cheesy coz its became a commercial success (the original and most others mixes are FEKKING cheesy), so it shows that even tho I think it wrong, I can still be swayed into a decision based on these things.
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
odrori seems to see my point.. obviously you dont mr mystery..
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
im arguing that calling a genre cheese is MOCKING the music
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Yes. And that is your OPINION.
Why the hell are you arguing about opinions? It's not like you can change someone else's opinion by stating yours til everyone's head explodes.
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haha you have no basis my friend.. just a big ego which you use to be little a music style you dont like.. and yest its true and obvious from your quote above.
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*sigh*
Yeah, sure, whatever. That's what I meant, I'm obviously a big-headed idiot and you can read :rolleyes:
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An artist never makes a track just to simply follow a trend.. well their may be some.. but not enough to call the genre cheese..
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I can call any track cheese if I want to. You don't have to.
Get my point already? No, of course not.
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and who are you to decide what is cheese and whats not..
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It's called an opinion. I do not decide anything for anyone but myself.
Get it?
O P I N I O N.
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if your going to bash a style.. say why and be specific.. if you dont like it.. then dont talk about it cause calling it cheese is just going to offend people that think that "cheese" is good
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Whether I like different music than you or whether I've bashed some style (which I STILL haven't) hasn't got anything to do with the topic of this thread. If people are dumb enough to believe cheese is good because I've said my opinion then that's their problem.
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and if you dont see my point.. ask me specific questions.. dont be all like.. "DUH YEAH? i dunno what your talking about" cause then i dont know what your talking about
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Oh, the irony... :rolleyes:
First off: Would you like to tell me why you are so eagerly trying to prove me wrong when you obviously don't even have any idea of what I'm typing?
Second: Why do your "points" have nothing at all to do with this thread?
Now please, leave it alone already... you're not going to get your "point" through to me, you're only making me even more confused then what I am now. |
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| oDrori |
| quote: | Originally posted by kr00t0n
The cheese = commercialism aspect doesnt make alot of sense.
What if a track was made not with the intention of cashing in, and it becomes popular with the masses for some reason? (BK- Revolution, the first Hard House track to make it commercial, I can gaurantee was not intended to do so, it was, and still does rip the roof off at clubs)
Stuff like that cant just become cheese because it popular.
As with Sandstorm, it never really did anything for me, but it wasnt bad, and not cheese, but when it became popular, and his other tracks that sounded WAY too similar got released, all Darude's stuff got classed as cheese.
Eh, I mean, I really liked the Green Court mix of Heaven when I heard it in FEB last year, but I admit that I find it cheesy coz its became a commercial success (the original and most others mixes are FEKKING cheesy), so it shows that even tho I think it wrong, I can still be swayed into a decision based on these things.
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I'll rephrase.
The term "Cheesy" is the equivilant of "Corny".
Whih means that a cheesey track is basically a cliche. These are very hard to avoid these days and basically when someone says a track is cheesey, he means that thos "I love you" vocals are once again darawing the crowd, that the offbeat/double offbeat bassline is still there and it hahs the same basic harmonic developement. Just another fruit in the basket.
In no way should terms like Cheesse or Commercial try to show what the track was made for because we can't know if the artist wanted to cash in or did he just make the music he loves, which happened to be very appealing to the masses. |
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| kr00t0n |
Yeah, corny is a better term :D
Like that Alternate - Alternate track, I find the main riff to be corny, like it was from Ejay or summat :p |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by oDrori
Stop being sneaky Mr. Mys :p
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I haven't even started yet :rolleyes:
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What if Peter Luts, for example, actually LIKES his Lasgo stuff, what if Brirttney Spears honestly thinks her music is good and it was made solely for HER taste and liking? Would that mean that they're not cheese in your book? |
No, that would mean they're retarded. C'mon, you don't even believe in that yourself, do you? (Oh I so hope you don't.)
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You can't assume what was going through their mind making the track.
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I can assume whatever I like... it doesn't mean I would be right, though.
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I don't like calling stuff cheese. I call them commercial. Commercial, if you ask me, is anything that pleases (not made to please) a large proportion of it's possible viewers/listeners/clients etc.
Since trends do change with time, what is commercial today might be underground tommorow so the term is unconstant.
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Your commercial is my cheese. The term is different but in my book it means the same.
No, it doesn't mean everyone should say commercial = cheese, it's just me.
OK?
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Only one man invented the wheel, are all of us bikers and car-drivers cheeseheads?
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Is wheel the trend of the day? Is wheel cool? Does it pay a lot of money?
If you want to prove me wrong with twisting my words then at least put a bit of effort in it. What possible similarity do you see in that point to mine?
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You can't make something exactly new everytime. Uplifting Trance is a trend. Does every Uplifting Trance track just follow a trend while being cheesey? What would keep the cheesyness away? Was the first Lasgo-styled tracks not cheesey because they were something new? |
It needs passion. Recycling works if it's done with a passion (or a love for music or whatever you want to call it). Copying stuff from other people (seeing what breakdown works, then building a similar etc. etc.) doesn't.
But seriously, c'mon now - this is getting silly already... I really cannot understand how a thread about cheese can wake so strong emotions in you people... |
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| oDrori |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
No, that would mean they're retarded. C'mon, you don't even believe in that yourself, do you? (Oh I so hope you don't.)
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Many of my friends really like that stuff, it's not called Popular music for nothing. Assuming one those friends would turn into a producer of Brittney-styled songs or Lasgo-styled tracks wouldn't it be very much possible that he likes that music?
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I can assume whatever I like... it doesn't mean I would be right, though.
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Please stop being sneaky :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Your commercial is my cheese. The term is different but in my book it means the same.
No, it doesn't mean everyone should say commercial = cheese, it's just me.
OK?
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OK OK OK. Commercial is Cheesy in my book, but I feel Cheese is a much more degrading term. (Opinion, no argument here)
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
If you want to prove me wrong with twisting my words then at least put a bit of effort in it. What possible similarity do you see in that point to mine?
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I mean that you can never really do something that hasn't been done before completely. Some of it has been used already, some of it is inspired by something. It all depends on the listeners taste, how deep does he want to dig and how far would he "Zoom In" to find the differences and similarities.
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
It needs passion. Recycling works if it's done with a passion. Copying stuff from other people (seeing what breakdown works, then building a similar etc. etc.) doesn't. |
What about copying with passion? :p
Again, let's say that a producer just produced your average piece o cheese based on what he thinks is the most atmospheric / energetic / hazed (etc. etc.) intro/breakdown/lyrics (etc. etc.) to fit the track, and it happened to appeal the crowd in the masses, would that still be considered cheese in your opinion?
(Because, once again, your statement includes assumptions of a producer's psyche's (hope that word exists :)) properties, and while you can assume, you might be wrong and why yell something out if you're not sure it's right? [Yes I know, a plenty of reasons, RHETORICAL QUESTION] {Stop being sneaky :p} ) |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by oDrori
Many of my friends really like that stuff, it's not called Popular music for nothing. Assuming one those friends would turn into a producer of Brittney-styled songs or Lasgo-styled tracks wouldn't it be very much possible that he likes that music?
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That would be entirely different from what you said above.
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OK OK OK. Commercial is Cheesy in my book, but I feel Cheese is a much more degrading term. (Opinion, no argument here)
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...and I don't - that was also the only point I was trying to get across.
Fair enough?
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I mean that you can never really do something that hasn't been done before completely. Some of it has been used already, some of it is inspired by something. It all depends on the listeners taste, how deep does he want to dig and how far would he "Zoom In" to find the differences and similarities.
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True.
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Again, let's say that a producer just produced your average piece o cheese based on what he thinks is the most atmospheric / energetic / hazed (etc. etc.) intro/breakdown/lyrics (etc. etc.) to fit the track, and it happened to appeal the crowd in the masses, would that still be considered cheese in your opinion?
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Yes. It would just be a copy/paste tune. An eJay track if you will.
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(Because, once again, your statement includes assumptions of a producer's psyche's (hope that word exists :)) properties, and while you can assume, you might be wrong and why yell something out if you're not sure it's right? [Yes I know, a plenty of reasons, RHETORICAL QUESTION] {Stop being sneaky :p} ) |
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1) I never said I was right
2) I didn't yell anything
3) My main language is Finnish. I don't always type exactly what I mean because I have to translate my English from Finnish and that can cause misunderstandings (as I believe happened here too because I still cannot understand what in my posts caused these massive semi-flames to appear).
4) What the hell do you mean by being sneaky? |
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| oDrori |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
That would be entirely different from what you said above.
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How?
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
1) I never said I was right
2) I didn't yell anything
3) My main language is Finnish. I don't always type exactly what I mean because I have to translate my English from Finnish and that can cause misunderstandings (as I believe happened here too because I still cannot understand what in my posts caused these massive semi-flames to appear).
4) What the hell do you mean by being sneaky? |
1) Yes but when you are trying to convince someone of something, wouldn't you believe it is true unless you have another goal in convincing that person?
2) Replace the term "Yell" with "Spread your opinion"
3) I don't think I semi-flamed you. If NRG2Infinite wants to explain the edge on his post he can have a go at it, I won't do it for him... (No fence NRG2I)
4) Making me writ too much when it seems to me tha tmy points are clear, and partially avoiding answers as long as possible. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by oDrori
How?
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In the first post you were talking about Britney making music. (as ironic as it may seem)
In the second you were talking about Britney fans who turn into making similar music to hers. |
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| oDrori |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
In the first post you were talking about Britney making music. (as ironic as it may seem)
In the second you were talking about Britney fans who turn
into making similar music to hers. |
I know what I was talking about.
I wmeant to ask what difference does it make? |
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