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Questioning Islam. (pg. 2)
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by melech_mike
I'll give that book a try theDemon!!
Anyone who say's they have "discredited" the Torah is a straight out bullter! I met this chinese mathmatician in Jerusalem a couple years ago. He left China over 15 years ago to come and try to discredit the torah mathamatically. Over 15 years later and he has yet to do so with his team of "investigators".
Do you not think this man, along with many many many other people who believfe Judaism is a farse, would jump onto Alexander Waugh to find out what he knows! Judaism can never, and will never be disproved. I'm not claiming it the be all and end all of all religious texts, just saying it is for me!
Alexander Waugh is just another idiot on that long list of hundreds, if not thousands, who have tried to disprove Judaism. |
theDemon? :conf: , been smoking crack again? ;)
I didn't say he disproves anything, you've jumped to conclusions.
Where did I say he thought Judaism is a farce? and who are you to say Judaism can never and will never be disproved? as for saying it's the be all and end all for you, isnt that a bit close minded?
Alexander Waugh is not an idiot, and you're swiftness to accuse him of being one just goes to prove that you in fact are, a complete and utter moron....
It's this kind of religious fanaticism that makes the world such an awful place to live..... |
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| torontotrance |
it's an elitest view az
I frankly don't believe in that author's point of view but I do accept that someone holds a different view than I do. To all of you...just because someone holds a view different from yours does not make it wrong. |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
it's an elitest view az
I frankly don't believe in that author's point of view but I do accept that someone holds a different view than I do. To melech_mike...just because someone holds a view different from yours does not make it wrong. |
it's elitest because he spent the best part of 35 years researching it :conf:
you don't believe in that authors point of view? have you read the book? looked at the sources he's drawn from, read the reasons as to why he wrote the book, or have any idea what it's about?
until you know Andy, and this goes to Mike as well, you can't comment |
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| torontotrance |
| i was pointing out that melech_mike's view was elitest, which means he discredits the source before even looking into it. I may even go find the damn book and read it then I shall comment on it. My point was just because something is different from your view, does not make it wrong which melech_mike seems to do. I accept the author's viewpoint as his own and just because I don't share the same view does not make it wrong. I may look into the book after the semester is over. |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
I don't believe with islam but why are you posting this stuff? to offend muslims in the forums?. I just don't get it
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I think you answered your own question:
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
I think as people we should ask questions because then you open dialogue about things. Asking questions about religion is good in my opinion, no matter the religion because I think when we stop asking questions, we tend to close the dialogue and just do nothing. I find when you ask questions about things, it opens dialogue with others who may share or may not share your view and then maybe you see some points that you never thought of. |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
I accept the author's viewpoint as his own and just because I don't share the same view does not make it wrong. I may look into the book after the semester is over. |
I haven't told you what the authors viewpoint is, or what the book is actually about, so how on earth can you be against it? |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by melech_mike
I think you answered your own question: |
you're questions are though to be fair..... |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by ferrycorstenfan
I think he's forgetting that this is T R A N C E A D D I C T and the primary usage is to talk music, not spouting bull propaganda, You know I am pro-Israel in many respects but you are a pathetic lifeform, if you cared so much u'd be over there doing something about it, we dont need ppl like you here, you racist bastard, so why don't u leave b4 ur forced off |
I think your forgetting that this is the POLITICAL DISCUSSION/DEBATE FORUM, and its primary usage is to talk politics and the like, not making baseless racism accusations as you just did.
Does questioning Islam make me racist? What about those who question every other religion? If Islam is so "true" and "perfect" than why does everyone who advocates it get so defensive when it's time for them to answer up to the questions that arise?
I don't care who or what your pro. Your opinions are not mine. I could care less what you thought of me; I don’t need to make new friends - thanks :rolleyes:
If I cared so much, where would I be? In Israel? Please elaborate. |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
theDemon? :conf: , been smoking crack again? ;) |
Perhaps i should ask you the same thing:
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I suggest you read "God" by Alexander Waugh, Shlomo, |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Az
I didn't say he disproves anything, you've jumped to conclusions.
Where did I say he thought Judaism is a farce? |
Oh, I jumped to conclusions did I...?
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...The book discredits pretty much every major religion on earth, apart from Islam, |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
and who are you to say Judaism can never and will never be disproved? as for saying it's the be all and end all for you, isnt that a bit close minded? |
Question 1) I am a Jew; I am a believer.
Question 2) Closed minded, not at all! I said it is the be all and end all for ME... I have yet to see any other religion which I feel to be as logical, rational, and conclusive as Judaism is - but that's just my opinion. Yes I have read many other religious texts. I studied world religion both here in Canada, and at Hebrew University, Jerusalem. Both places had a diverse population of mixed religions, and ethnicities.
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
Alexander Waugh is not an idiot, and you're swiftness to accuse him of being one just goes to prove that you in fact are, a complete and utter moron.... |
Perhaps idiot is the wrong word for this man... misguided perhaps.
He goes to compare the main religions with one another, finding obviously contradictions. How do you expect the worlds religions to all compliment what each is saying... in that case only one would be the original, and the others just duplicates presenting the same lessons, perhaps just in different stories. I don’t agree with his viewpoint at all. He seam’s to me like a philosopher of sorts. A man who himself is confused with all that he has taken in from all the various sources he cites. I would never compare 2 different religions together; there will be obvious discrepancies between the two. I would, however, compare a religion to itself. Make sure it holds no contradictions - how can the word of G-d be contradictory? Man is only subject to such humanistic mistakes; g-d can not have any errors. I ask you why didn't Waugh find that, out of the world’s three major religions, Islam has the most faults and contradiction?
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
It's this kind of religious fanaticism that makes the world such an awful place to live..... |
I by no means am a "religious fanatic"; me questioning religion shouldn't label me so. I just have a deep rooted urge for truth. For answers that make sense. If I don’t question people/theories ECT, I’ll never be fully fulfilled. |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by melech_mike
Perhaps i should ask you the same thing:
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you could at least have tried to say I was someone who lived in the same country, has the same religious beliefs etc...
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oh, i jumped to conclusions did i... |
yes, because I didn't say which part of Judaism he discredited, yet again, read the book, it might open your eyes 
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Question 1) I am a Jew; I am a believer.
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just because you're a believer, you can't say something can never be disproved, especially something as trivial as religion
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Question 2) Closed minded, not at all! I said it is the be all and end all for ME... |
think you answered you're own question there ;)
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Perhaps idiot is the wrong word for this man... misguided perhaps.
He goes to compare the main religions with one another, finding obviously contradictions. How do you expect the worlds religions to all compliament what each is saying... in that case only one would be the original, and the others just duplicates presenting the same lessons, perhaps just in different stories. I dont agree with his viewpoint at all. He seem's to me like a philosopher of sorts. A man who himself is comfused with all that he has taken in from all the various sources he cites. I would never compare 2 different religions together, there will be obvious discreptincies between the two. I would however compare a religion to itself. Make sure it dolds no contradictions - how can the word of G-d be contradictory? Man is only subject to such hunmanistic mistakes, g-d can not have any errors. I ask you why didn't Waugh find that, out of the worlds three major religions, Islam has the most faults and contradiction?
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again, you havent read the book, you cannot comment on the way in which Waugh has carried out his investigations. Waugh hasn't concentrated on the contradictions in the different religions, he's looked at the similarities of them, then examined the contradictions, and used the sources to cite why they contradict
As for not agreeing with his viewpoint, yet again, I haven't even told you what his viewpoint is, and I will not tell you, I urge you to read the book.
As for him being confused, you're right, he spent years being told of religion, without understanding why and how, and spent the best part of 35 years of his life researching it. And you've dismissed his lifes work without even reading it, and you say you aren't close minded? :stongue:
If you've never compared two religions, how on earth would you know Islam has the most faults and contradictions?....oh wait ;)
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I by no means am a "religious fanatic". Me questioning religion doesn't make me so. I just have a deep rooted urge for truth. For answers that make sense. If i dont question people/theories ect, i'll never be fully fufilled. |
as for your deep rooted urge for the truth, good luck, one day you might find it :) |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
just because you're a believer, you can't say something can never be disproved, especially something as trivial as religion |
I, as a believer don't feel that my religion is trivial. Isn’t that what makes me a believer? Until someone comes and totally without a shadow of a doubt, scientifically disproves Judaism -- I will never again question it. I have questioned it for years, without practice of it. I still do not practice it today, yet I believe it to be true.
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
think you answered you're own question there ;) |
I think you missed the point of my answer. Don't just concentrate you energy on trying to show me how I’m "closed-minded", I know that I’m not. Please re-read me entire answer to question two.
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
again, you havent read the book, you cannot comment on the way in which Waugh has carried out his investigations. Waugh hasn't concentrated on the contradictions in the different religions, he's looked at the similarities of them, then examined the contradictions, and used the sources to cite why they contradict
As for not agreeing with his viewpoint, yet again, I haven't even told you what his viewpoint is, and I will not tell you, I urge you to read the book. |
You are right, I haven't yet read his book; I do plan to do so in the near future.
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
If you've never compared two religions, how on earth would you know Islam has the most faults and contradictions?....oh wait ;) |
I haven't compared any religion to Islam, but I have compared Islam to itself... this is where I find its contradictions and errors.
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as for your deep rooted urge for the truth, good luck, one day you might find it :) |
I think that I may have already found it. There will always be more for me to learn; yet the ultimate truth for me can be found in the Torah. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by melech_mike
I think that I may have already found it. There will always be more for me to learn; yet the ultimate truth for me can be found in the Torah. |
AND FOR MUSLIMS IN ISLAM , AND FOR CHRISTIANS IN CHRISTIANISM , and none of them will come to you and shove a "your religion sucks check this website i found" on your face |
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