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Paul Oakenfold - Live On MTV (pg. 5)
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| Twilogoddess |
| quote: | Originally posted by patticus
oooooh.... WORLD class????? EVERY week? damn, no wonder you're the twilogoddess.
newbie or not, show some ing respect to the other users. all he suggested was that you chill out. no need to live up to that bitch reputation you've created for yourself on here by talking in a condescending manner, even if you think they ARE less informed than your graciousness in the matters of trance. |
Re-read his FIRST post..."Open ur eyes dip!" |
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| TranceGeek |
| well, i actually admire u, cuz i kno if i had the opportunity, i'd see as top djs... its all good... |
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| patticus |
i didnt see the last line before.
even if he's being immature, you could set the example (being a spoiled or PRIVILEGED goddess and all) and enlighten the rest of the "newbies" out there. dont you think?
even so, that's my mistake, i thought you were calling me a dip and i didn't see that part of his post. i apologize. |
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| LiquidX |
Okay... thanx to ABPsportsline we got alot of things cleared up in here, but Twilogoddes, dont feel alone on critizising him, I have some friends doing the same thing, but b/c they belive what others say and cant read the MAGAZINES the way they are suppost to, they seem to like to translate lots of things, and make up lots of bull, well.. a friend of mine has heard that in the URB issue Oakey says that the USA needs to be tought what good music is, and that Jungle and House SUCKS!! << I Went.. thats total bull, I read the article like 3 times, and I see hoe people make up so much sh*t to bash other DJ's, or DJ's from other genre, they've been doing this for the following reason
1-) b/c they see that trance is taking over USA, and since those Jungle and House lovers, when they see Oaky Posted upfront on mags such as URB .. they get real pissed and do anything to lower the guy down..
Well.. this Oakey stuff is been pissing me off big time, all the so called themselves " underground " are hearing rumors and beliving them, or just are starting to dislike the guy..
He said clearly that USA is a country where Rock / Pop/ Hip Hop and country are the major genres, b/c thats what they are exposed to, and he said him coming here, is a big challenge, he never called himself the TEACHER or Precher or BEST dj.. his just here to spread the sound.. and thats it!!!
Peace !!! and lets just all enjoy the music.. and please!!! when you read articles on MAGS.. one, read them good, and second, dont listen to what others say about a DJ when they bas him.. it can be the most bullcrap you'll hear. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by sot
im 16 :confused: |
Yeeeaaa.. Im 16 also.. your not alone bro! |
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| Raven |
I'm writting this in response to ABTsportsline's post that was attempting to discredit Twilogoddess. First of all I want to appologize to anyone that I may offend by this post. But honestly, I have to clarify some points.
I don't mean to be egotistical or arrogant (that's Oakie's job), but I consider myself pretty knowledgeable when it comes to rave culture and anything electronica related.
1) "Oakie is on tour in the states PROMOTING HIS NEW ALBUM "Another World." OK, first off, I know that Oakenfold is promoting his new album...but YOU CANNOT COMPARE HIM TO ROCK BANDS LIKE U2 OR DAVE MATTHEWS!!! They are playing their OWN songs....He is a DJ, not a fvcking rock star, and it is understandable that he will play some tunes from his album but in a set that is only 2 hours...people want to hear more than that. Let's look at other DJ's in comparison, not rock bands. Dave Seaman recently released Rennaissance: Desire, I have seen him 5 times in the last 4 months (including twice at Twilo, once at Buzz in DC, once at Ultra, and once at the Hope/therapy party at Crobar in Miami) and EVERY SET has completely been different. His sets have been closer to 4 hours long and they had few of his "Desire" tunes. Max Graham recently released "Transport 4". I've seen him 4 times in the last couple of months (including Buzz in DC, Ultra, Hope/Therapy at Crobar, and Evolution in philly) and his sets have also been mind-numbingly good and very different from his album. Sander kleinenberg recently released "Nu Breed 4"...I saw him at ultra and Glow in DC...umm need I repeat what I already wrote. Point being that Oakie plays SHORT and REPETITIVE sets, which illustrates his lack of creativity and laziness. "I know to us "true/hardcore" Oakie fans, this seems like he's "cheating us" out of our money. But its about promotion, and turning NEW people on to it"....this is one of the main reasons people can't stand him now...he's all about promotion...promoting his name and making money. He's not in it for the music or for his fans. He's selfish, greedy and arrogant.
2) "In the Mixmag article Twilogoddess refers to, the reference is made TO Paul what he thinks about being CALLED the most SUCCESSFUL DJ in the world. Any other statements posted about him claiming to be the best would be unfounded. He has been voted numerous times by various magazines as the best, but he never claimed himself that he was." Twilogoddess was referring the Muzik Magazine where he PROCLAIMED HIMSELF...and I quote..."I AM THE BIGGEST DJ IN THE WORLD". I own the magazine. He said it flat out...and he also said "I WILL NAIL AMERICA". This is reconfirmed in the latest issue of Muzik magazine that is out now. Go buy it and read the interview with Oakenfold. They remark on his arrogance and why he's hated in England. In his own defence all he can say is that the British hate those who are successful. Then they remark about arrogant statements that he made in URB that quoted him saying that American's aren't ready for his music....for his defense he says that he was "dyslexic"...come on now, give me a break. Go read the article people. So Twilogoddess was right and he is arrogant. Look at how he was making love to the camera for MTV. At his Rockefeller set he skipped the needle twice, played Someone ONCE AGAIN in a two hour set and spent half the time trying to look pretty for the cameras; making strange poses and occasionally pointing to nobody out in the crowd and smiling. In addition to charging astronimical fees for beleaguered sets, he asks for first class airfare, hotel, limo, the works. He's so full of himself it isn't even funny.
3) "He's Lazy - How many DJ's you know that "work out?" He isn't lazy at all, in fact, if you have ever seen him live, he very much gets into the set." HAHAHAHAHA....when people say he's lazy, it's not meant in a physical way. He's lazy in that he doesn't bother to look for new records to mix. He plays THE SAME SET EVERYWHERE!!! so he knows exactly how these tunes are going to mix and he doesn't work at dj'ing...he might aswell just pop in his "another world" album and stand and try to look pretty for the camera. "FYI - many of you don't know this, but sometimes he will hit 2 or 3 clubs IN ONE NIGHT to spin sets... As a former DJ, I can assure you its usually easier to Spin a 3-5 hour set in one club than it is to move from club to club all night and spin 2 hour sets." FYI, he doesn't play 3 clubs a night. In the past year on his tour he has only hit Buzz and Glow on the same night back during thanksgiving and then at ultra then shadow lounge. That's twice. it's not that big a feat considering the clubs are a couple of blocks from each other and he gets a break in between.
4) The tunes Oakie plays aren't underground - This is a stupid debate, really. All the songs we hear are underground....until we hear them. Then we say we heard them and they are no longer "underground". What classifies a song as "no longer underground?" You hear it on the radio? Then technically, almost everything you'll hear him and others spin is "underground." The underground debate is really down to each person's personal perspectives and really can't be argued upon.
5) Since I am pretty adept at trainspotting, I have compiled tracklistings from the Oakenfold sets that I have seen and from my friends that have seen him at Coachella in california and austin TX. Watch the similarities.
A. Buzz DC during thanksgiving
1. Lost it.com - Animal
2. U2 - Beautiful Day (Perfecto remix)
3. X-Press 2 - AC/DC
4. Dusted - Always Remember To Respect And Honor Your Mother (PvD remix)
5. Velvet Girl - Velvet
6. Utah Saints - Lost Vagueness (Oliver Lieb mix)
7. Tilt v. PVD - Rendezvous (Tilt's Quadrophonic mix)
8. Azido Da Bass - Dooms Night (Timo Maas mix)
9. Timo Maas - Ubik (The Dance mix)
10. PMT - Gyromancer (False Prophet mix)
11. Solar Stone - Seven Cities (V-one Living Cities mix)
12. Mekka - Diamondback
13. Skip Raiders – Come back (Star Wars Theme)
Encore:
14. CJ Bolland - The Prophet
B. In Dallas TX 4/6
Lostit.com - Animal
Tata Box Inhibitors - "Freet" Trisco remix
amoebaassassin - Piledriver
Unknown/White label *song contained sonar ping like sounds...
PMT - Gyromancer (Wookie Slut Remix)
Unknown/White Label
Tilt v PVD - Rendezvous (Tilt's Quadraphonic Mix)
Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (Humate Remix)
Insigma - Open Your Eyes
Jan Johnston - Flesh (Tiesto Remix)
Solar Stone - Seven Cities (V-ones Living Cities Remix)
Unknown * familiar piano melody to it
Unknown/White Label * lyrics go something like 'destiny calling'
max grahams - bar none
C. In Austin, TX 2/23
Lostit.com - Animal
Tata Box Inhibitors - "Freet" Trisco remix
White Label/Unknown
White Label/Unknown
PMT - Gyromancer (Wookie Slut Remix)
Airwave - Lightspeed
Amoeba Assassin - Piledriver (Greyed Out Summer Mix)
Highland - No way out (Highland Mix)
Tilt v PVD - Rendezvous (Tilt's Quadraphonic Mix)
Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (Humate Remix)
Max Graham - Bar None
Utah Saints - Lost Vagueness (Oliver Lieb Main Mix)
Mekka - Diamondback
Jan Johnston - Flesh (Tiesto Remix)
Solar Stone - Seven Cities (V-ones Living Cities Remix)
Insigma - Open Our Eyes (Odyssey One Remix)
Skip Raiders - Come Back
White Label/Unknown
White Label/Unknown
D. Ultra In Miami
Lostit.com - Animal (Trance Remix)
Tata Box Inhibitors - Freet (Trisco Mix)
Madonna - Do You Know What It Feels Like For a Girl (Perfecto Mix)
PMT - Gyromancer (Wookie Slut Remix)
Unknown - Unknown
Airwave - Lightspeed
Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (Humate Remix)
Max Graham - Bar None
Mekka - Diamondback
Jan Johnston - Flesh (DJ Tiesto Remix)
Solar Stone - Seven Cities (V-One Living Cities Remix)
Insigma - Open your Eyes (Odyssey One Remix)
DJ Tiesto - Urban Train
E. Buzz DC on 4/8/01
1. Unknown
2. Unknown
3. Unknown
4. Ascension - Someone (Orlando Breakz mix)
5. Unknown
6. Tilt v. PvD - Rendezvous (Tilt's Quadraphonic mix)
7. Madonna - What it feels like for a girl (Perfecto mix)
8. Moby - South Side (Heller's Park Lane Vocal Club Mix)
9. Unknown
10. Jan Johnston - Silent Words
11. Delerium - Innocente (DJ Tiesto remix)
12. DJ Tiesto - Urban Train
13. Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (Humate remix)
14. PPK - Resurrection
15. Insigma - Open your Eyes (Extended Club Mix)
16. Factor 9 - Release Me
17. Push - Strange World (Airwave remix)
18. Oakenfold vs. Afrika Bambattaa - Planet Rock
F. Coachella in California
1.Lostit.com - Animal (Trance Mix)
2.unknown
3.Insigma - Open your eyes
4.Ascension - Someone (Orlando Breaks Mix)
5.PMT - Gyromancer (Wookie Slut Remix)
6.Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (Humate Remix)
7.Amoeba Assassin - Piledriver
8.unknown
9.Solar Stone - Seven Cities (V-One's Living Cities Remix)
10.unknown (this song kicked ass)
11.CJ Bolland - The Prophet
G. Rockefeller NY
Lostit.com - Animal
PMT - Gyromancer
Ascension - Someone
Moby - Southside (Pete Heller remix)
Insigma - Open your Eyes
Oakenfold vs. Afrika Bambattaa - Planet Rock
Amoeba Assassin - Piledriver
Jan Johnston - Flesh
6) "I have heard that Oakie is rude to his fans, turning away autographs, ending sets early, starting sets late...." - This is absolutely true. My friend saw him at Avalon boston last summer and afterwards oakenfold was sitting chilling drinking a beer and my friend asked him to sign his tranceport cover and he just huffed and turned his face. THIS IS TRUE!!! Oakie has GOD COMPLEX!
I think I've said enough.
i'm sorry if I pissed some of you off, but it really annoys me when people don't have their facts straight. |
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| IbAmbient |
| he's a ing rockstar...so what?! |
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| JayD |
Raven very good response, but to make it short every-1 has thier own opinions...
Some say PVD is God and Some Say He's ... It's all about opinions.. And about the tracklistings you posted that's very true about his set.. I did although come across alot of white labels and unknowns in the sets.. Also, Paul Van Dyk, Tiesto, Ferry and other play alot of the stuff that gets the crowds going in almost every set.. May-b Oakie is doing the same.. |
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| patticus |
ok, that's almost scary at how many tracklistings you have for oakie... but my only bone to pick with that is, you said watch for similarities, but the recurring tracks in his set don't seem to be as predictable as everyone's making it out to be... just because we've all been discussing them, we happen to know flesh, animal, insigma will appear (etc.)
but tiesto's done the exact same thing recently (schiller, flight, insigma, YAHEL>? still?, stringer)
and im guessing the majority of other djs out there do it too.
i dont see a basis for slighting him because of his track selection (although it seems... shall we say... established) |
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| LiquidX |
Well, as patticus said, I was watching the tracklisting and you said to watch for how played out the tunes have come on his sets, and it seems that you hit yourself with your own mistake...
as I see, well, I see that he does playe his , it seems his favorite tunes like Lostit.com, Insigma, Solar Stones, schiller and amoebassasin. WEll, as other post have said, other DJ's, if you see their playlist, will have the same stuff!!!! I've heard 3 of Tiestos set where almost everytrack is played.. but thats b/c his not playing on the same venue, instead, his playing for a different crowd, everyone would like to hear those songs.. so his forced to please the crowd, thats the same with Oakey, if we are to critize Oakey, then we are into a bad road, we would have to critisize like everysignle top DJ.. if you didnt notice, but I did, there was a couple of White Labels and Unknown, as well some big difference on some sets, never thought he would play Factor 9, nor push, not Timo mass.. great stuff there!!!
But this whole Oakey stuff , is just sad .......
I like what he plays, and his mixing skills are good as well.
Until then, I have no clue of his personal life, and promoting.. thats his f*cking life, if he wants to live like a King, then he deserves to, he friking owns a LABEL, and about some comments he made about america, if he indeed said that we need to be teached about good music, thats obviously true, there's only a HANDPICKED of people that knows the good music in america.. we all know that! Compare america to Britain.. now.. come on, we all know that Majority listens to all those POP genres, so they are definetly for a big lesson!
PEACE! |
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| JayD |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
Well, as patticus said, I was watching the tracklisting and you said to watch for how played out the tunes have come on his sets, and it seems that you hit yourself with your own mistake...
as I see, well, I see that he does playe his , it seems his favorite tunes like Lostit.com, Insigma, Solar Stones, schiller and amoebassasin. WEll, as other post have said, other DJ's, if you see their playlist, will have the same stuff!!!! I've heard 3 of Tiestos set where almost everytrack is played.. but thats b/c his not playing on the same venue, instead, his playing for a different crowd, everyone would like to hear those songs.. so his forced to please the crowd, thats the same with Oakey, if we are to critize Oakey, then we are into a bad road, we would have to critisize like everysignle top DJ.. if you didnt notice, but I did, there was a couple of White Labels and Unknown, as well some big difference on some sets, never thought he would play Factor 9, nor push, not Timo mass.. great stuff there!!!
But this whole Oakey stuff , is just sad .......
I like what he plays, and his mixing skills are good as well.
Until then, I have no clue of his personal life, and promoting.. thats his f*cking life, if he wants to live like a King, then he deserves to, he friking owns a LABEL, and about some comments he made about america, if he indeed said that we need to be teached about good music, thats obviously true, there's only a HANDPICKED of people that knows the good music in america.. we all know that! Compare america to Britain.. now.. come on, we all know that Majority listens to all those POP genres, so they are definetly for a big lesson!
PEACE! |
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| Master Bates |
Just so you know, twilogoddess, i'm not 16, i'm 23. i didnt realize that using rude language constituted you for being a teenager.... <<<"open your eyes dip".... I apologize for this remark, Twilogoddess, but this was my immediate reaction after reading all the bulletin posts.... it just seems like you write all these posts, but DONT EVEN READ what the responses are. Most of your questions get answered, but you are too busy being pissed off at oakenfold to even think about what was written.>>>
i may have just signed on the message boards to trance addict .com recently, but that doesn't mean i was born in a paper bag yesterday. I've been into trance for 4 years now, and i have been around. No offense to tranceaddict.commers (they so far have been very nice people), but Tranceaddict.com is not the bible or final frontier with trance. there are millions upon millions of people who like trance who have no idea this site exists, and i'm sure hundreds of thousands who all know more about trance than all of us, who aren't on tranceaddict. just food for thought.
and about this whole oakey debate - just drop it people. some are going to like him, some are not - but i think there is a lot of b*llsh@t going around out there of people just not liking him because he probably is the most widely-known DJ. Just get off your horse and accept him for what he is : probably the person that is going to turn MTV (or america) onto trance.
everyone keeps saying he plays the same tracks, but to repeat what the last 2 guys have said, he only repeats like 3-4 songs each set, which is the same as every other DJ. But most of you guys are so blinded by your hatred for oakenfold that you don't even realize this. PvD is good, but plays his own songs almost every set he plays - no one complains about this do they? Of course not, because PvD is NOT paul oakenfold. Tiesto is the same - he plays at least 3-4 of the same songs every set, but no one notices do they???
and look at mauro picotto - not the best DJ by far, but a damn good producer... and i've been to 3 of his shows and i've NEVER seen a crowd get spun up like at his shows - but at picotto's shows all he plays are HIS OWN RECORDS - the same ones over and over again, and they NEVER GET OLD. but we don't all hate him do we? no, because he's not .......... MAINSTREAM I wonder if you 'consider' his songs "underground"??????? LoL
peace, and lets move on shall we.... |
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