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Paul Oakenfold - Live On MTV (pg. 6)
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| tranceboi54 |
| In my opnion, I think Paul Oakenfold is pretty good, my friends were making fun of him about the way he dances. I admit he dances a bit odd but still, don't be dissing somebody about their skills when he is better then you. I find at least trance music is getting commericalized with Paul Oakenfold, rather then what crap is in Los Angeles (ie DJ Mystik, DJ Epic). People think DJ Mystik made Escape when it was made by Kay Cee. Also, people I talk to think DJ Epic made the classical Fable, I told them it is made by Robert Miles, an Italian DJ. |
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| BlueAngel |
It took me a while to finish reading this entire thread and I’d be damned if I don’t reply to it! Here are my opinions and they are just MY OPINIONS . . . like s everybody has one. ;)
First, let’s determine what is commercial and what is underground.
If you took a person who listens to nothing but KTU and Z100 all day all night, put them in the middle of Vinyl during a DT set and then put them in the middle of Twilo during a PVD set . . . then ask them what the difference between the two was . . . they would say nothing. They would say they all sound the same!
A person in the underground scene who is musically inclined would know the difference right away.
Here’s the thing . . .every other KTU/MTV Dick, Jane, and Harry can’t listen to our music for too long cause they get bored. Why? Cause they’re use to hearing music with lyrics. That’s mainstream. While we (the underground rats) jam to the deep house beats of DT and high energy break beat trance of PVD . . . the word bored would be the last thing on our minds.
That’s the difference between the two.
In a commercial market, a DJ can make A LOT of money. In an Underground market . . . it’s limited as to how much a DJ can make. A DJ in an Underground scene will sell maybe 250,000 cds at best . . . a commercial DJ can sell maybe 4X that amount cause he has a wider range of audience.
It would be great if a DJ could bring the underground scene into the open, to push it into the faces of society and let it be accepted everywhere in the US like it is in Europe. It would be great if the music industry could sell the underground music as is without altering it and having it sound cheesy. It would be great if I could say that Oakey stayed true and remained underground, but unfortunately he didn’t.
He didn’t take this music and presented it to the world as is . . . he modified himself, changed his style, his selection of music so that the mainstream crowd can listen to it without getting bored. Some great DJs of OUR time didn’t do that. Sasha, DT, and Carl Cox all stayed true to themselves even though they rose to fame. Sasha will never make his beats easier and shine more light into his dark sets cause some big label producers told him he would sell more records that way. DT, ‘til this day still spin in Vinyl more times then he tours in huge clubs because that’s his house and doesn’t need Rockefeller Center to prove anything. HOWEVER, ask who’s getting paid more . . . and it’s going to be Oakey. Cause that’s what commercial is . . . money.
Listen, before some of you jump on my back . . . I’m not saying that Oakey was a bad DJ. On the contrary, he was one of my favorite several years ago. I’ve seen Oakey spin in the US, Europe, and Ibiza for the last 3-4 years. He does deserve some level of respect. He was one of my favorite cause he knew how to read the crowd . . . he was the master at taking us on a journey. THAT was his gold ring!!
His mixing skills were NEVER that great . . .that is a fact, not an opinion. Now I’m not a DJ and won’t pretend that I know a lot about mixing, but I do live in a circle of some very musically inclined people. And from what I’ve seen and heard I do know this much . . . his mixing skills were much better in ’97 to ’99. After that it started going down hill . . . he doesn’t let the tracks blend fast enough and he let them fade away too fast. Why? Cause he knows he’s going to train wreck. Usually when a DJ cut and fade fast, it’s because they know they can’t match the beat and is going to train wreck. That’s how he got his nick name “DJ Fade Away.”
It wasn’t his mixing skills that made him huge, it was his connection with the crowd. A good DJ knows how to connect with his audience and create a vibe with that. DT is famous for this. Oakey had that in the late 90’s . . . that was what made him so great! But somewhere he got tired and he lost his passion. He wanted to make money and is doing exactly that. Can we blame him? No! You can’t fault a man for trying to make a living. However, every thing has a sacrifice . . . fame especially. In order to become famous WITHIN the mainstream entertainment business . . . you have to become mainstream. And that’s exactly what he is doing.
Back in ’97 he was spinning goa trance and then in ’98 and ’99 he would spin melodic and hard trance . . . then all of a sudden he turned and gave into the commercial media. Now all he spin are vocal tracks (95% of them being Jan Johnson, which is marketing) and a whole lot of remixes and rehashes.
Egotistic? Show me a DJ who doesn’t have some level of ego! He deserve to be egotistic, he’s making enough money to be!
I guess after all is said and done, whether you think Oakey is a great DJ or a sell out . . . he’s laughing all way to the bank. That’s the bottom line. Love it or hate it. |
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| Raven |
JayD, I agree whole-heartedly with what you are saying. My problem is that I get irritated when ignorant people make stupid comments that aren't founded in any truth. I completely agree that everyone is entitled to their own taste. If Oakenfold is someone's favorite DJ then so be it. But they need to acknowledge that:
1. His sets are repetitive and short....the same in every city. Same tracks, same order, in that essence he is lazy. he already knows how the tracks will mix together and he's not working at "DJ'ing". It's hysterical how ABTsportsline mistook my comment about Oakie's being lazy as a physical attribute. He's lazy because he's unimaginative and uninspiring.
2. He's arrogant....no one can deny that he's in love with himself. From his self-proclamation in Muzik magazine as "The Biggest DJ in the World" (I own the magazine where he states that). To how he will "Nail America". To his lack of respect for fans, and his high demand for 1st class airfare, hotel, limo...etc. I think that's what gets me the most heated. In the lastest issue of Muzik which is out now they confront him about statements he made about the US being uneducated and "not ready for his music". In his own defense he states that he was "dyslexic" and didn't mean it. Even on MTV he was making love with the camera and pointing aimlessly at no one and smilling like a fool....holding out his arms like he was jesus.
Patticus and Liquid X. I only went to the Two buzz shows and the Ultra festival. The other lists were compiled by my friends and the Rockefeller list was compiled by me watching the show, so I don't know what other tunes he might have played.
From those 7 lists here is the occurance of some of the songs
Animal - 6 times
Open your eyes - 6 times
Seven cities - 5 times
Gyromancer - 5 times
Das Glockenspiel - 5 times
Piledriver - 4 times
Flesh - 4 times
Rendezvous - 4 times
Barnone - 3 times
Someone - 3 times
Diamondback - 3 times
Come on now you guys. In a set that is barely two hours long for him to play those same tunes is a little tiresome. And that's not counting the countless other cities where I heard he played the same tunes. I'll have to admit that his latest outing at buzz on 4/8 was quite amazing since he didn't play a single tune from his albums. I really enjoyed that set. But the other times I have seen him were all the same.
I understand that PvD, Tiesto, and other DJ's play some of those tunes too....but not in the repetitve manner that Oakie does and they drop them in sets that are much much longer than 2 hours. There is no comparison between a 2 hour Oakenfold set and an 8 hour EPIC PvD journey. To give you guys an example I've also compiled two tracklistings from PvD's last two Twilo appearances. Notice they only share 3 songs. The first set was 7 hours long, so i couldn't identify about 4 hours of music and the second set was 8 hours long so I couldn't identify about 5-6 hours of music.
PvD at Twilo 2/9/01
1. Members of Mayday – 10 in 01 (PvD remix)
2. RMB – Deep Down Below (Humate remix)
3. Schiller – Das Glockenspiel (Humate remix)
4. Paul van Dyk – Another Way (PvD club mix)
5. Ashtrax – Helsinki
6. Moonman – Galaxia (Darbucca "Morning Light" remix)
7. Airwave – Alone in the Dark
8. Paul van Dyk – We are Alive (Breathless remix)
9. Laurent Garnier - The Man with Red Face (Jan Driver Remix)
10. Max Graham – Shoreline (Club mix)
11. Starecase – Hopeless
12. Mekka – Diamondback
13. Vince de Moor – Fly Away (Yves Deruyter remix)
14. Paul van Dyk – Out there and Back
15. DJ Remy - Backstabber
16. Bushwacka – Healer
17. Thrillseekers – Synaesthesia (Thrillseekers full vocal club mix)
18. Insigma – Open Your Eyes (Extended Club Mix)
19. Jose Amnesia – My Memory is Back (Original mix)
20. Saint Etienne – How We Used to Live (PvD remix)
21. Paul van Dyk – Tell me Why
22. Minimalistix – Struggle For Pleasure (Progressive mix)
23. Resistance D – You Were There (Thomas P. Heckman remix)
24. Brother Brown – Starcatching Girl (Sander Kleinenberg remix)
25. Chicane – Halcyon
26. Jack Prongo – Rocket Base
27. Underworld – Born Slippy (PvD remix)
28. Paul van Dyk – Together We Will Conquer
29. Goldenscan - Sunrise (Pulser 6 AM Vocal Mix)
30. Phreaq – Falling (Adam Dived remix)
31. Tata Box Inhibitors – Freet (Pascal F.E.O.S. remis)
32. Orbital – Nothing Left (Way Out West remix)
33. Brancaccio & Aisher – Fracture (Mama’s so Phat remix)
34. Voodoo and Serano – Blood is Pumping (Original Club mix)
35. VIP 3000 – The Combat
Encore 1
36. 45 min set of which I didn’t recognize a single tune
Encore 2
37. Jose Amnesia – The Eternal (Life on Mars mix)
PvD at Twilo on 4/13/01
1. Paul van Dyk - Columbia (New PvD remix)
2. En Motion – Truth
3. Fatboy Slim - Star 69
4. Kosheen - Hide U (J. Creamer mix)
5. Blank & Jones - Cream (PvD remix)
6. Paul van Dyk - Face to Face (Piano mix)
7. Jan Johnston - Silent Words
8. Goldenscan - Sunrise (Pulser 6 AM vocal mix)
9. Planisphere – Moonshine
10. Sasha & Emerson - Scorchio (Sander Kleinenberg remix)
11. Paul van Dyk - We are Alive (DJ Icey break-beat mix)
12. Alanis Morissette - Couch (PvD remix)
13. DJ Tiesto - Flight 643 (Oliver Klein remix)
14. Reysan Khan - "Shi-Du 2000" (Voodi remix)
15. Paul van Dyk - Beautiful Place (Salt Tank remix)
16. Track 4 from Live at the O (between Sander Kleinenberg - My Lexicon and Miro - By your side)
17. Dawnseekers - Gothic Dream (John Johnson remix)
18. Faithless - We Come 1
19. Jam & Spoon - Be Angeled (PvD remix)
20. Freefall ft. Jan Johnston - Skydive (new remix)
21. Minimalistix - Struggle For Pleasure (Progressive mix)
22. Members of Mayday - 10 in 01 (PvD remix)
23. Golden Girls - Kinetic 99
24. X-press 2 – Muzikizum
25. Mike Koglin - The Silence (Tekara mix)
26. David Forbes – Questions must be Asked
27. Paul van Dyk - For an Angel
Be good everyone
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| BlueAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raven
Come on now you guys. In a set that is barely two hours long for him to play those same tunes is a little tiresome. And that's not counting the countless other cities where I heard he played the same tunes.
Raven |
I hear ya loud and clear. Last year my bf and I heard him spin at Pacha in Ibiza. I counted "Bullet in the gun" about 4 times and "Under the water" about 5 times. Granted they were all different version but all the same. I left cause I knew if I heard one more version I was gonna go beserk! So we ran over to Bora Bora where a resident DJ was playing some freaky tech-house! :D
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| Raven |
Blueangel, that was an excellent analysis and the only thing that I'd have to disagree with you is that there are a lot of DJ's that are still grounded and unaffected by their superstar status in the world. I've met Dave Seaman and Max Graham and they are among the most cordial and pleasant people. I never let on the immense shock and excitement that I was feeling while talking to them about DJ'ing and producing and travelling. I even exchanged e-mails with Dave Seaman.
I think the Mr. Congeniality award must go to Paul van Dyk. the man has reached the peak of his field, along with Sasha, Diggers, coxy and Oakie. He constantly refuses to acknowledge he is a superstar DJ yet everyone knows he is the epitome of a superstar DJ. He's so calm, cool, collected...always lost in 100% concentration in his music. Never have I seen a DJ get so into the music. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raven
Blueangel, that was an excellent analysis and the only thing that I'd have to disagree with you is that there are a lot of DJ's that are still grounded and unaffected by their superstar status in the world. I've met Dave Seaman and Max Graham and they are among the most cordial and pleasant people. I never let on the immense shock and excitement that I was feeling while talking to them about DJ'ing and producing and travelling. I even exchanged e-mails with Dave Seaman.
I think the Mr. Congeniality award must go to Paul van Dyk. the man has reached the peak of his field, along with Sasha, Diggers, coxy and Oakie. He constantly refuses to acknowledge he is a superstar DJ yet everyone knows he is the epitome of a superstar DJ. He's so calm, cool, collected...always lost in 100% concentration in his music. Never have I seen a DJ get so into the music. |
True that about Paul van Dyk, and wow what type of sets he threw on TWILO!!! no wonder his so loved!! and .. damm, seen he played Jose Amnesia -- the eternal, I just transfered myself to that place.. wow!! I wish I could hear that song ever on a club or event!!! |
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| Raven |
Liquid X, I see you're in Miami....well then I envy you. Due to Twilo's closing...the thousands of Twiloites who come for PvD's bi-monthly residency will be going through withdrawal symptoms by this time next week.
You, on the other hand, have the luxury of catching a 4-6 hour PvD set at Space in Miami next Friday where he is now booked instead of Twilo.
You might just get to hear that tune...it's one of my own all time favorites and actually brought me to tears when i heard it at Twilo.
I know you'll be absolutely blown away. |
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| BlueAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raven
Blueangel, that was an excellent analysis and the only thing that I'd have to disagree with you is that there are a lot of DJ's that are still grounded and unaffected by their superstar status in the world. I've met Dave Seaman and Max Graham and they are among the most cordial and pleasant people. I never let on the immense shock and excitement that I was feeling while talking to them about DJ'ing and producing and travelling. I even exchanged e-mails with Dave Seaman.
I think the Mr. Congeniality award must go to Paul van Dyk. the man has reached the peak of his field, along with Sasha, Diggers, coxy and Oakie. He constantly refuses to acknowledge he is a superstar DJ yet everyone knows he is the epitome of a superstar DJ. He's so calm, cool, collected...always lost in 100% concentration in his music. Never have I seen a DJ get so into the music. |
Raven, don't get me wrong. I have met PVD in New York and in Ibiza and the man is . . . well NICE!! There's no other way to describe Paul. He's truly one of the nicest PEOPLE I have met in my life.
When I said ego . . . I meant in not by their superstar status, but all DJs have this edge. Whether they are a superstar DJ or a local they all have it. I don't know how to describe it, so I'll give you an example.
Ex. #1. I heard Sasha at Space last year in Ibiza and he totally blew the roof of that club! I have NEVER in all my years of seeing Sasha heard him play like this in New York. A gf of mine asked him why he doesn't spin like that in New York . . his reply, "cause I'm Sasha." Now I know Sasha too, and he is a genius on the deck! One of the best technical mixers out there (along with Carl Cox, Sven, and PVD). And he ALWAYS keep it underground and stay true to himself. But he has this cocky edge, ya know?
Ex. #2. When I heard PVD (also) in Ibiza at Amnesia . . . believe it or not he trainwrecked TWO times!!! TWOOOO freakin' time!! The first and the last time I ever heard him mess up. His response? He shrug his shoulders and waved to the crowd very nonchalantly if I may add.
I guess I should of worded it better. It's not egotistic from stardom but more like . . . this confidence. I don't know how else to put it.
HOWEVER, I do know what you mean about Oakey's cockiness. But like I said before . . . he makes enough money to be cocky. *shrug*
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| Raven |
BlueAngel, I agree with you that there is a certain level of confidence that these DJ's possess...but I think that is completely different from arrogance which is displayed by Oakie.
By the way, i'm really surprised that PvD trainwrecked...usually he is the picture of perfection when he spins. I've never heard him trainwreck...even in his marathon 8 hour Twilo sets. I remember one time though he was playing in Philly at Space before it became Motion and the power died for a moment...something totally beyond his control and he screamed out "!" You could tell the docile trancemaster was so pissed off that it killed his groove.
I'm jealous you got to see him in Ibiza...but I got to see him at Gatecrasher ;)
Be good sweets
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| BlueAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raven
By the way, i'm really surprised that PvD trainwrecked...usually he is the picture of perfection when he spins.
Raven |
YEA!!! I was so shocked when that happened I almost fell down the stairs!! :eek:
I think he's more relaxed in Ibiza. If a DJ was to trainwreck in Twilo . . . you hear a lot of "Ooooooo" or "Boooooo". In Ibiza if a DJ mess up . . . all you hear is a chant of thousands of people "PVD! PVD! PVD! PVD!!" I definately felt that every single DJ in Ibiza was more relaxed then when I saw them in New York. That includes (Dave Seaman, Timo Mass, Sasha, and PVD). I can only compare those DJs cause the others I've never seen in New York so I don't know how they would spin there.
Even when I saw Tiesto at GC at LL . . I was disappointed cause he spins a totally different set in Europe. Just now I'm listening to his most recent set live at Home. Totally mind blowing, but when I reminisce back to GC at LL. Disappointment.
I think there is this level of intensity and pressure that DJs feel when they play in New York. Like as if New Yorks are a bunch of mad dogs . . . waiting to be tamed. I mean didn't Sasha once told a reporter at Mixmag that he still felt butterflies in his stomach when he's about to spin in New York. That pretty much wraps it up. ;)
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| Izzy |
| is it just me or is anybody else out there jelous some of these guys here have actually met some of my idles, and they talk about it non-shalantly as if its an everyday thing, i envy you lucky bastards. ;) |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raven
Liquid X, I see you're in Miami....well then I envy you. Due to Twilo's closing...the thousands of Twiloites who come for PvD's bi-monthly residency will be going through withdrawal symptoms by this time next week.
You, on the other hand, have the luxury of catching a 4-6 hour PvD set at Space in Miami next Friday where he is now booked instead of Twilo.
You might just get to hear that tune...it's one of my own all time favorites and actually brought me to tears when i heard it at Twilo.
I know you'll be absolutely blown away. |
Well, is awesome to know that PvD will be doing a 6 HR set!! wow!! here in Miami, we are getting lots of good top notch DJ's, club Shadow Lounge will be the residency for Godskitchen UK, where they will be bringin Armin va Buuren !!!!!! WOOOHOO!!!! and Ferry Corsten, John 00 Fleming, Judge Jules and Fergie.
Others coming are the German DJs, like DJ JAMX and DUMONDE<< great stuff there!!!! as well Cosmic Gate, Mario Debellis ?!.. well, I know theres bunch of other DJ's coming all the time
About SPACE, man, I'd love to go, wouldnt wanna miss his set, but unfortunately im 16, and space is very strict on the age thing, although I'll be going to space June 16th, but b/c theres all ages ( all electronic music though ) .. so that says it all, I will though try to get in and talk to the connections I got :-) so wish me luck !
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