I just found this article on winamp.com when I was updating... http://www.winamp.com/about/article.php?aid=10608

It says something about having to pay for samples even if they sound completely different. How can anyone monitor that? Is this going to turn into some big thing? I really hope not!

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wtf... this is rediculous

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How can anyone monitor that?

Heheh, they can't.

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Is this going to turn into some big thing?

Nope. The whole law is quite worthless. If a sample is not identifiable, then it's not.

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Originally posted by Chronosis Nope. The whole law is quite worthless. If a sample is not identifiable, then it's not.

it would be fair to pay clearance if you use someone else's sample, don't you think?

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To quote that article:

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Previously, if a digital sample wasn't identifiable from it's original it was perfectly legal.

Utter bullshit.
Previously if you couldnt identify a sample, then you simply had no case on which to claim.....doesnt mean to say it was legal at all.
Sampling other peoples mechanicals has always been illegal without consent from the publishers of the original work.
I 100% agree with this- its peoples intellectual output and property. Its basically theft- albeit on a minor scale.


What its saying is that you should now declare all samples- even when mangled beyond recognition.... which is kind of the point of mangling them in some cases.....so they cant be identified

Until now, People wtih obvious samples have either cleared+payed for their use, or risked not clearing/paying and either got away with it or been caught-either because the artist/pulishers dont care, or the sample is not obvious or its changed and noone notices it.
Absolutely nothing has changed with this ruling as that scenario will still continue.

So absolutely nothing has changed

Yeah,Well said man !

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Originally posted by BOOsTER it would be fair to pay clearance if you use someone else's sample, don't you think?

Well if you have made the sample into something completely new (which is the case when it's not identifiable, even by the original artist), then I think you can very well use it. It doesn't anymore represent the creative vision of the original artist.

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Originally posted by Freak So absolutely nothing has changed

Exactly.

To what extent does this law go? When it comes to kicks, claps and all other sorts of general percussion I think it's quite ridiculous. How else would you be able to generate something new from something old?

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Originally posted by Icone To what extent does this law go? When it comes to kicks, claps and all other sorts of general percussion I think it's quite ridiculous. How else would you be able to generate something new from something old?

It's just a fact that it can hardly be verified whether it's your self made (say) kick, or someone else's. If it's someone else's nobody will claim it because he cant prove it is HIS kick..

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Hey. This is hardly an issue in the mostly liberal underground world of electronica. Remember people, many of our recording companies arent part of the RIAA/BPA. Some are yes but many that are dont agree with the current doings of those two organizations. Most people who produce electronica arent the same type of money grubbing people you see on MTV or the likes. Think about it. How many people know about this place? How many people here create remixes using an entire song as a sample or the accapella thats been bootlegged? My guess is, this will only affect hiphop producers and rap producers who use pre-fabbed acid loops and shit to construct the next radio masterpiece(of shit). If someone wanted to deal with it in the scene, good for them, because theres a small enough fan base that word spreads quickly and its a good chance he (or the company) just ended thier career(s).

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Heh, for percussion samples I think it would be near impossible for someone to pinpoint a specific sample that was ripped off. Give me any kick and I'll convert 50 other completely different sounding kicks into one that sounds exactly like it. Short of ripping off an entire loop, there's just no way anyone could tell.

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