I do agree. Keyboards are great to fool around with on your own to figure out your own melodies or the melodies to other songs, although, speaking for myself, it's much easier putting in a full trance melody to my software.

Especially one with a ton of arpeggios.

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Mossy, I said the same thing about "inventing a tune that already exists" in my last thread! LOL...

Frustrating aint it!

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I think there are as many producers whom don't use a synth/keyboard but only theory, or just trying as you said.
If you know scales and stay in that scale with your chords then you can also produce without a synth/keyboard. It's al about being inventive.

Coming up with things that already excists isn't strange. as long as you change the lenght of the notes and change one or two intervals you have found another melody.

Beethoven and Mozart did not always write at the piano. They had the skills and craftsmanship to take what was in their head and put it right to score paper. And we're talking full orchestrated symphonies here - not just 8 note trance melodies. The moral - learn music

But mossy, and im sure many others, arent Beethoven.

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.. The moral - learn music

To learn about music is good for your production skills, I learned to read notes etc. and some things about chords years ago, in my keyboard class. I didn't spend that much time on it, didn't like it that much, but it helps me a great deal now in creating melodies for my songs. Counter melodies are easier too. I sometimes hear melodies created by TAs that just aren't good to hear, think they could use some simple lessons.

Beethoven, Mozart etc knew, but people who are really good with their music instruments know it as well, how to compose music with just pen and paper. That's too hard for me, I'll just keep it simple

Ok, something on topic: I guess I'm to look out for a keyboard with MIDI port, cause i've been using my computer keyboard all this time, which sucks in many ways.

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Originally posted by chrispitcha But mossy, and im sure many others, arent Beethoven.

My first name is Amadeus, just like Amo Mozart from the tidy boys

My initial point was that its actually easier to compose good melodies with a physical keyboard, as generally your fingers 'find' the right notes just from placement/hand posture. My musical training has consisted of reading 2 books and playing tunes over and over till I can begin to understand why they work and why they dont if you change certain notes.

As long as your having fun though, nothing else matters to me.

Beethoven and Mozart are what you call musical geniuses, with natural born talent for music. Not everything can be learned. If you can't sing or draw, chances are you'll never be great, you'll just go from horrible to half decent.

Luckily it doesn't take genius to make electronic music. I would recommend a keyboard because it forces you to learn scales and music theory a lot quicker. Any kind of keyboard works, i have a 200 dollar plastic yamaha that works fine, no need to go nuts and get a Motif.

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Luckily it doesn't take genius to make electronic music

I agree with you state, but, trance music has just begun to take off. It is still in its infancy, and maybe a prodigy will emerge and take trance production to a higher level. Maybe it'll be someone in this forum

Since I've learned more theory I really only use my keybord to play out Chord Progressions and then I sequence those progressions and compose the melody using the chords (all in Sonar).. it makes for some very nice melodies.

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Hehe, if I ever hear a trance tune that I deem to be as good as the 3rd movement of Beethoven's moonlight sonata I'll worship that producer for the rest of my life. Right now no one has come even close IMO, but I guess it's like comparing apples and oranges. It would be hard to take something that musically complex and turn it into a danceable tune, but who knows what will happen as technology continues to become more powerful and easily accessible.