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Originally posted by alanzo I believe it to be a good idea to leave ALL fx (except for filters) until the end when you're mastering.. this way you concentrate more on how your MIX sounds.. rather then how the SYNTHS sound..

correctamundo. Things like delays, reverbs, etc can wait to be added later. Use them to write so you know what it is suppossed to sound like, then add them in afterwards. Really helps.

With EQ'ing, rarely do you want to have to add, taking away is almost always better. Adding will more easily distort and/or destroy a sound. Compression is almost an art, and squashing things down too much is very easy to do. you have to be careful and learn how to do it properly. Ideally every instrument will have it's own dedicated compressor, as not all will require as much, if any.

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Originally posted by alanzo I believe it to be a good idea to leave ALL fx (except for filters) until the end when you're mastering.. this way you concentrate more on how your MIX sounds.. rather then how the SYNTHS sound..

umma no, in REAL LIFE the only thing that happens in mastering is compression, precision EQ, and peek limiting… maybe some other stuff like de-‘S’ing but those three are usually it. However you are right and should wait till you have a suitable mix before adding things like reverb and delay, but they are never added in the mastering process.

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Originally posted by Bondor umma no, in REAL LIFE the only thing that happens in mastering is compression, precision EQ, and peek limiting… maybe some other stuff like de-‘S’ing but those three are usually it. However you are right and should wait till you have a suitable mix before adding things like reverb and delay, but they are never added in the mastering process.

ok, it might not be common practice to do this.. but it sure saves on CPU..

I use Cubase SX 2.0 - When i'm done with the mix I freeze all of the VSTis and then add FX - if I add FX while mixing or without freezing the insturments the program lags like a basterd even on my 2.8Ghz system..

so perhaps this would be more of an amateur solution to the problem then.. since most of us dont have $$ to put in to multiple PCs to spread out the CPU load..

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OK , So i am really just starting to understand the whole concept of compressing and eqing. But i feel as if sometimes you can over compress things and may just screw your track and sounds up.. I am just really wondering about the eqing thing.. I DEF 100% need to work on that, but i am lost and dont know where to start.


Any info or tables about Eqing percusiion,hi hats and such in the 'proper' way... I am trying to get rid of any mud(crap,mushiness) in my track.

Thanks again guys

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Originally posted by Biatchzxz Any info or tables about Eqing percusiion,hi hats and such in the 'proper' way... I am trying to get rid of any mud(crap,mushiness) in my track.

Well for starters, try to use subtractive EQing rather than additive. What this means, is that if you want a sound to be brighter in the mix, instead of turning up the high frequencies, try cutting some of the lower ones instead. It's very difficult to master, but results are superior and you don't waste headroom by increasing the signal.

If you have two sounds that are conflicting, occupying the same frequency range and stereo positioning doesn't seem to be working (or can't be used - ie kick & bass sounds), try finding which frequencies are conflicting between the two and roll them back on one of the sounds. That will definitely help clean up your mix.

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Originally posted by alanzo ok, it might not be common practice to do this.. but it sure saves on CPU.. I use Cubase SX 2.0 - When i'm done with the mix I freeze all of the VSTis and then add FX - if I add FX while mixing or without freezing the insturments the program lags like a basterd even on my 2.8Ghz system.. so perhaps this would be more of an amateur solution to the problem then.. since most of us dont have $$ to put in to multiple PCs to spread out the CPU load..

True. Actually I do a lot at the same time: eq-ing and mixing and adding fx. p4 2.66 ghz lags big time. I use Fruity. I freezed the fx and worked on and it didn't lag wohoo! Thanx for that guys!

But mastering stays a bit nasty cause you need to put the fx on again..

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Hey jay how did u freeze the FX in fruity?

its all about what you put into the fx

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so how much panning should synth and perc get? i mean to much and your track have on the left side a few instruments and other side a few there, sure it wouldn't sound right in a club or something right?

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Originally posted by midaV Hey jay how did u freeze the FX in fruity?

I just turned them all off.

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so how much panning should synth and perc get? i mean to much and your track have on the left side a few instruments and other side a few there, sure it wouldn't sound right in a club or something right?

IMO you can stereo enhance them both and pan the percs some a bit to the left some a bit right. Not too much I guess. In some tracks the synth is more left at a note and at the next more right... Dunno if there are rules for it..

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The only thing I can really add to what others have mentioned is to start with the cleanest possible kick sample, the cleanest possible drum samples, and then fit the bassline of the track with those samples as perfectly as possible before even moving on to anything else. When you have driving beats + bass, I find that fitting everything else in afterwards becomes pretty easy.

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just a little note...always remember that lots of stereospread = less punch in your track so don't overdo the spread to much...

as a thumbrule try to keep the beat as centered as possible to keep the punch and pressure in your track

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